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[Geneva Olson]

Your own form lists about 55 - 125 million worth of properties... I'm seeing no where that it says shes worth only 300k? She made 300k just off of her book... in 1 year, 380K off of media appearances... Unless she's living like a king or donating it all, theres no way shes worth 300k only.

Doesn't mean she did anything nefarious though... The first property is the hardest to buy, from there you purchase more and more with the equity in that property and watch your net worth go up like crazy. I don't think it's wrong to say she has a net worth of 50-100 million, and I'm sure a lot of it has to do with her book / TV appearances... but so long as she's done nothing illegal / taken bribes (Looks like she divested from her Tesla stock to avoid confict of interest, which is what everyone should do...) Nothing wrong with her having such a high net worth.


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Here, I did the math and added up her income.

She made 1.2 million in this filing, Thats just income earned, not net worth. Interestingly she doesn't show any income for her 3 apartments which is her highest net worth... She also doesn't list owing anything on those 3 apartment complex's, just a mortgage on her house.

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so..i'm wrong...Still a far cry from 100 million. she might not have full ownership of those properties. I doubt if she's done anything nefarious. This whole administration is working toward transparency. that's why I was able to find this so quickly.

 

[ikarasu]

Didn't trump refuse to show his tax returns? This admin is saying they're the most transparent... But so far from what I've seen that hasn't been the case.

She has them listed under her assets, she doesn't list that she's co-owner or anything. She also doesn't list a mortgage.... So according to that form she should own them out right. But it's hard to say as once you get in the multi millions, taxes are usually done in a way that's beyond most people's heads (mine included, it gets complicated.

I don't see how it's a far cry from 100 million though when her own estimate is from 55 to 125 million.... Even if you split the big difference, that lands on 80 million networth, just in those 3 properties.

But again... Not saying there's anything wrong with it, so long as she's not some shitty scum landlord, which I'm sure if she was we'd have heard about it by now.

Just pointing out you can be sure of something when reading evidence right infront of you... But totally misunderstand what it's saying. As I said, taxes and reported income is complicated... .she could be at 50 million or 200 million when reading those documents. In the grand scheme it doesn't matter, no evidence that she's earned it through wrongdoing... If I could write a book and appear on some news shows and make a few million, I'm sure if do it too.

 

[MikePro]

if you look up whom actually owns the properties, its an equity firm.
...so most likely she owns a stake, but that's neither here nor there. she cashed in bigtime when podcasting & non-GarbageNewNetwork political commentary was on the rise, wrote a book, gave some speeches, and was actually deployed as a combat military veteran unlike politicians like Tim Walz who stole valor for political gain. Not knocking the Reserves/Guard, but don't claim you did things that you did not or someone's bound to call you out for it.

highly recommend buying stock in Rumble, much like Tulsi, as it is set to carve out a large portion of what used to be youtube's audience.
I just recently paid off my own student loans and bought a house, so cash is low & my investing has been limited to 401k else I'd be big into Rumble, NVIDIA, Tesla, and XRP.

 

[Geneva Olson]

Didn't trump refuse to show his tax returns? This admin is saying they're the most transparent... But so far from what I've seen that hasn't been the case.

She has them listed under her assets, she doesn't list that she's co-owner or anything. She also doesn't list a mortgage.... So according to that form she should own them out right. But it's hard to say as once you get in the multi millions, taxes are usually done in a way that's beyond most people's heads (mine included, it gets complicated.

I don't see how it's a far cry from 100 million though when her own estimate is from 55 to 125 million.... Even if you split the big difference, that lands on 80 million networth, just in those 3 properties.

But again... Not saying there's anything wrong with it, so long as she's not some shitty scum landlord, which I'm sure if she was we'd have heard about it by now.

Just pointing out you can be sure of something when reading evidence right infront of you... But totally misunderstand what it's saying. As I said, taxes and reported income is complicated... .she could be at 50 million or 200 million when reading those documents. In the grand scheme it doesn't matter, no evidence that she's earned it through wrongdoing... If I could write a book and appear on some news shows and make a few million, I'm sure if do it too.

Here's trumps tax returns

https://www.taxnotes.com/presidential-tax-returns

So if she owns them outright, there's still no crime. Like you said. it's not a crime to own those assets. I regurgitated what you originally said that you see 1.25 million in assets. You're right. I didn't delve into it because I'm busy. I'm defensive because you and i definitely don't see eye to eye. So my apologies.

again, i said they are transparent and that's refreshing to me. Now look and see how much nancy pelosi is worth. I hate the fact that someone is going to call me "whataboutism". but after the previous administrations that we have been dealing with, I'm tired of being taken advantage of.
I do feel like trump is working FOR US. and not the other way around. Everything is easy to look up and not elusive. case in point, I was able to pull actual records of tulsi's net worth that she filed with the government. Transparency is key. I believe they are all being transparent. But you don't. I wish I could change your mind to see that Trump is working for us. But I can't. Do I get defensive about it? hell yea. because I've been called every name in the book by liberals and i'm tired of the bullsht. Im ready to stop being taxed to death and make real money.

 

[ikarasu]

Here's trumps tax returns

https://www.taxnotes.com/presidential-tax-returns

So if she owns them outright, there's still no crime. Like you said. it's not a crime to own those assets. I regurgitated what you originally said that you see 1.25 million in assets. You're right. I didn't delve into it because I'm busy. I'm defensive because you and i definitely don't see eye to eye. So my apologies.

again, i said they are transparent and that's refreshing to me. Now look and see how much nancy pelosi is worth. I hate the fact that someone is going to call me "whataboutism". but after the previous administrations that we have been dealing with, I'm tired of being taken advantage of.
I do feel like trump is working FOR US. and not the other way around. Everything is easy to look up and not elusive. case in point, I was able to pull actual records of tulsi's net worth that she filed with the government. Transparency is key. I believe they are all being transparent. But you don't. I wish I could change your mind to see that Trump is working for us. But I can't. Do I get defensive about it? hell yea. because I've been called every name in the book by liberals and i'm tired of the bullsht. Im ready to stop being taxed to death and make real money.

Looks like he's missing 2021 - 2025.. And he would not give them up, he had to legally release them, which is why we only have until 2020. My understanding is pretty much every other president released them, and trump was the first to say no... refusing since he first got elected in 2016, and never willingly giving up a return. Thats not transparency, that's the opposite... just because he was forced to release them doesn't earn him any points. When he willingly releases the missing ones that werent voted / forced to be released... let me know and I'll eat my words.

Do I think he got some secret russian money he doesnt want the world to know about and was dumb enough to put it on his taxes? No.... But it's another case of him breaking precedent, and being the most anti-transparent on one hand, while saying something with his other hand, and having his base eat it up. Maybe he's just a private guy and doesn't want his taxes released, but I remember him claiming he couldn't release them because he was being audited... And they came out and told him he can release them...and then it still never happened. Lots of excuses not to do it, which again says to me he's not being that transparent.



And again, from the page you linked - They stated they got the returns Via house ways and means committee.. Voted on by both parties his first term to release them, compelling them to be released... so he didn't release them, the agency in charge of it did.

We have the returns filed by President Donald Trump from 2015 through 2020. These returns were released by the House Ways and Means Committee. The committee voted along party lines to release the returns on December 20, 2022.

By law, the Ways and Means Committee may obtain, inspect, and even disclose the confidential tax information of any taxpayer, even without that taxpayer’s consent. The Senate Finance Committee and the Joint Committee on Taxation have identical authority under section 6103(f)(1) and (4)(A) of the Internal Revenue Code. University of Virginia tax and legal history scholar George K. Yin, who also served as chief of staff for the joint committee,

 

[ikarasu]

if you look up whom actually owns the properties, its an equity firm.
...so most likely she owns a stake, but that's neither here nor there. she cashed in bigtime when podcasting & non-GarbageNewNetwork political commentary was on the rise, wrote a book, gave some speeches, and was actually deployed as a combat military veteran unlike politicians like Tim Walz who stole valor for political gain. Not knocking the Reserves/Guard, but don't claim you did things that you did not or someone's bound to call you out for it.

highly recommend buying stock in Rumble, much like Tulsi, as it is set to carve out a large portion of what used to be youtube's audience.
I just recently paid off my own student loans and bought a house, so cash is low & my investing has been limited to 401k else I'd be big into Rumble, NVIDIA, Tesla, and XRP.

I think thats why it's such a broad range for how much it's worth. It's like Musk... He's one of the richest men alive... but most of his net worth is in stocks and non liquid forms. Most people don't put their own name on a property worth 50 million... But it being listed on that return, theoretically HER value is that, the property is probably worth a lot more than 25-50 million.


And I say again so you guys don't take my words wrong... None of this means she's doing anything wrong... It doesnt matter if her networth is 1 million, or 1 billion... And after the first 10 million, does it matter? Thats enough to live comfortably for a few lifetimes. I don't see a reason for any of her earnings to have been made doing anything fraudulent / illegal... So it doesn't matter. I just saw a bunch of people posting different information, so I spent 5 mins and looked it up.

 

[Geneva Olson]

because tax returns are protected by law. (that's literally the first statement on the website. He didn't release them because no other president had to release them. would you want your tax returns out there for all the world to see? being transparent doesn't have to include showing a tax return. if you think it does, then show everyone yours.

 

[MikePro]

because tax returns are protected by law. (that's literally the first statement on the website. He didn't release them because no other president had to release them. would you want your tax returns out there for all the world to see? being transparent doesn't have to include showing a tax return. if you think it does, then show everyone yours.

hell, an activist DA in New York decided to play real estate appraiser and use Trump's returns to charge him with felonies ...whilst doing the exact same thing he did, to pay his taxes legally & leverage equity to secure loans, but turning a blind eye to the law and putting it in front of a biased jury regardless.

i wouldn't want my financial statements floating around out there, when there's tens of thousands of nutjobs with a bone to pick & ability to file lawsuits because "orange man bad"

however, I would be more interested in why a crackhead and his family received tens of millions from Burisma and various international sources, while using Presidential authority to threaten witholding of congressionally approved funding unless they removed the prosecutor investigating his dealings.

 

[ikarasu]

because tax returns are protected by law. (that's literally the first statement on the website. He didn't release them because no other president had to release them. would you want your tax returns out there for all the world to see? being transparent doesn't have to include showing a tax return. if you think it does, then show everyone yours.

I dont know if you actually believe what you say, or just spout some nonsense you've heard repeated with doing very little, to no research.


Every president from Richard Nixon onward has voluntarily released his tax returns annually, and the IRS automatically (since the 1970s) audits the tax returns of presidents and vice presidents.


I guess technically you're right. No other president has HAD to release them, they did so willingly, since 1969.... To show they had no conflicts of interest. Unless you know of a president I don't that didn't release their returns willing aside from trump?

 

[Geneva Olson]

I dont know if you actually believe what you say, or just spout some nonsense you've heard repeated with doing very little, to no research.


Every president from Richard Nixon onward has voluntarily released his tax returns annually, and the IRS automatically (since the 1970s) audits the tax returns of presidents and vice presidents.


I guess technically you're right. No other president has HAD to release them, they did so willingly, since 1969.... To show they had no conflicts of interest. Unless you know of a president I don't that didn't release their returns willing aside from trump?

What nonsense? I said no other president has had to release them. Trump didn't hold any political office prior to this. How many other presidents didn't hold any political office prior to presidency?

I believe that trump pushed back, not because he was hiding something, but because of the first statement on that website. Those tax filings don't have anything to do with transparency... since we're on the subject of tax returns. I'd love to see nancy pelosi's. She's been in office since 1987 and shes been caught insider trading.

 

[MikePro]

every president is required to provide financial disclosures to the US Federal Election Commission upon becoming a candidate. to review their compliance with the ethics act of 1978 and reveal potential conflicts of interest.
how they pay their taxes, is of no consequence.

still funny how people got hellbent on him not immediately catering to their demands, and even dangling the potential of releasing his tax returns in front of their faces
....and how they just simply can't let it go.

 

[ikarasu]

What nonsense? I said no other president has had to release them. Trump didn't hold any political office prior to this. How many other presidents didn't hold any political office prior to presidency?

I believe that trump pushed back, not because he was hiding something, but because of the first statement on that website. Those tax filings don't have anything to do with transparency... since we're on the subject of tax returns. I'd love to see nancy pelosi's. She's been in office since 1987 and shes been caught insider trading.

Every other president has released them. They didn't "have" to because they did it willingly and weren't forced.

 

[Geneva Olson]

Every other president has released them. They didn't "have" to because they did it willingly and weren't forced.

I'd like to point out the word "forced" to you. Do you like being forced to do things that you don't HAVE to do and is in fact protected privacy?

 

[MikePro]

Every other president has released them. They didn't "have" to because they did it willingly and weren't forced.

does that make them better, somehow? did Trudeau release his tax statements?
TDS is a hypocritical sickness that spans entire continents, what a shame ...that i've run out of popcorn.
"sure Obama drone struck US citizens, buuuut at least he released his tax returns and Michelle definitely does not have a penis"

 

[ikarasu]

I'd like to point out the word "forced" to you. Do you like being forced to do things that you don't HAVE to do and is in fact protected privacy?

We're talking about transparency, are we not? About how all the other presidents released their tax return for 50+ years.... And then all of a sudden it was a no go when trump was in office. What does being forced have to do with it? The fact that he toutes he's the most transparent president and then does stuff like that shows he's not.

He specifically said he'd release them, he just wasn't legally allowed to because he was being audited - did he release them ? No...

He specifically said he'd release the Epstein files, as soon as he was elected... Did he? No.....

I'm pointing out ways he's NOT being transparent, and things he's lied about.... Am I wrong? Did he not say both things? Did he do both things?

Its not about whether he should have or shouldn't have, or was forced to or others weren't forced to, we are talking about transparency here. I don't get the diehard obligation to defend him whether he's right or wrong, it's not hard to call out bullshit when it happens. If a guy says he's super transparent and is going to do something the. Turns around and doesn't do it, what's so wrong with saying he was wrong?

 

[Geneva Olson]

We're talking about transparency, are we not? About how all the other presidents released their tax return for 50+ years.... And then all of a sudden it was a no go when trump was in office. What does being forced have to do with it? The fact that he toutes he's the most transparent president and then does stuff like that shows he's not.

He specifically said he'd release them, he just wasn't legally allowed to because he was being audited - did he release them ? No...

He specifically said he'd release the Epstein files, as soon as he was elected... Did he? No.....

I'm pointing out ways he's NOT being transparent, and things he's lied about.... Am I wrong? Did he not say both things? Did he do both things?

Its not about whether he should have or shouldn't have, or was forced to or others weren't forced to, we are talking about transparency here. I don't get the diehard obligation to defend him whether he's right or wrong, it's not hard to call out bullshit when it happens. If a guy says he's super transparent and is going to do something the. Turns around and doesn't do it, what's so wrong with saying he was wrong?

well., those epstein files he's gotten some heat from. so he's not always right.

the tax returns though. that doesn't make him less transparent. hence the reason I equated it to you. You aren't any less transparent because you don't show yours.

 

[Geneva Olson]

We're talking about transparency, are we not? About how all the other presidents released their tax return for 50+ years.... And then all of a sudden it was a no go when trump was in office. What does being forced have to do with it? The fact that he toutes he's the most transparent president and then does stuff like that shows he's not.

He specifically said he'd release them, he just wasn't legally allowed to because he was being audited - did he release them ? No...

He specifically said he'd release the Epstein files, as soon as he was elected... Did he? No.....

I'm pointing out ways he's NOT being transparent, and things he's lied about.... Am I wrong? Did he not say both things? Did he do both things?

Its not about whether he should have or shouldn't have, or was forced to or others weren't forced to, we are talking about transparency here. I don't get the diehard obligation to defend him whether he's right or wrong, it's not hard to call out bullshit when it happens. If a guy says he's super transparent and is going to do something the. Turns around and doesn't do it, what's so wrong with saying he was wrong?

and I'm defending him because he got a bad rap from the deep state operatives. He's been lied about over and over again. And so when he draws a line in the sand, everybody goes after him. He was a private citizen before this. He didn't do washington. Remember, he was well loved by a lot of people. Hillary and Bill even went to his wedding. But as soon as he entered politics, that all changed. and we will all find out soon enough why it changed. A bunch of people have been subpoened to go to congress for depositions. including bill and hillary regarding the epstein files. know who doesn't have to go? Trump

 

[ikarasu]

well., those epstein files he's gotten some heat from. so he's not always right.

the tax returns though. that doesn't make him less transparent. hence the reason I equated it to you. You aren't any less transparent because you don't show yours.

I'd have to do taxes in order to show them... jk. I havent done the past 2 years in taxes, And the past 2 years before that were recently filed. Ever since I opened my own business's, It's not as simple as hitting submit with a bunch of information... So I'm behind.

I have my 2021.. or is it 2020 taxes... I don't care if you want to see it, obviously redact out the SIN / Address, etc. But what do I care if you know what I make?

Canada passed a law... any company over xx employees HAS to post what they pay each employee - Transparency is good...


Knowing what the president has invested in, whether they have conflicts of interest would be good, and transparent too, wouldn't it? For instance... Knowing Trump has 1 million invested in Tesla, would make the whole selling Teslas at the white house a different story than him just trying to help musk out, wouldn't it?

Most presidents get rid of anything that could be a conflict of interest - Jimmy carter sold his peanut farm so he didnt benefit from it... Could trump get rid of all his properties / stuff that would be a conflict of interest? No.... but being transparent about what he's invested in, so you can see if all these policies he's setting is a conflict or not would be a pretty good way to ease peoples minds.



Tulsi had stocks in Tesla... before she became appointed she got rid of them so she didn't have anything that could be a conflict. She posted her investments (Maybe taxes? I dont know, didnt look), to show she was working for the people, not working for herself to make herself rich. She went about it right... Trump should take note and follow suite .


It's not the law, so they can do what they want. But call a spade a spade... You can't go around saying you're the most transparent president and then fight to block so much information from coming out. The previous 50 years presidents were transparent about their taxes, and for good reason... This president is not... Is that him being more transparent, or less? the reasons dont matter why.... Thats all I'm getting at, I judge people by what they do, not by what they say. He released some roswell and JFK assassination's stuff, stuff that has no consequence... He released a binder of epstein information that was ALREADY released, and said this is round 1, look at how transparent we are... And then nothing else... Judge a guy by his actions, not by what he says.

 

[Geneva Olson]

I'd have to do taxes in order to show them... jk. I havent done the past 2 years in taxes, And the past 2 years before that were recently filed. Ever since I opened my own business's, It's not as simple as hitting submit with a bunch of information... So I'm behind.

I have my 2021.. or is it 2020 taxes... I don't care if you want to see it, obviously redact out the SIN / Address, etc. But what do I care if you know what I make?

Canada passed a law... any company over xx employees HAS to post what they pay each employee - Transparency is good...


Knowing what the president has invested in, whether they have conflicts of interest would be good, and transparent too, wouldn't it? For instance... Knowing Trump has 1 million invested in Tesla, would make the whole selling Teslas at the white house a different story than him just trying to help musk out, wouldn't it?

Most presidents get rid of anything that could be a conflict of interest - Jimmy carter sold his peanut farm so he didnt benefit from it... Could trump get rid of all his properties / stuff that would be a conflict of interest? No.... but being transparent about what he's invested in, so you can see if all these policies he's setting is a conflict or not would be a pretty good way to ease peoples minds.



Tulsi had stocks in Tesla... before she became appointed she got rid of them so she didn't have anything that could be a conflict. She posted her investments (Maybe taxes? I dont know, didnt look), to show she was working for the people, not working for herself to make herself rich. She went about it right... Trump should take note and follow suite .


It's not the law, so they can do what they want. But call a spade a spade... You can't go around saying you're the most transparent president and then fight to block so much information from coming out. The previous 50 years presidents were transparent about their taxes, and for good reason... This president is not... Is that him being more transparent, or less? the reasons dont matter why.... Thats all I'm getting at, I judge people by what they do, not by what they say. He released some roswell and JFK assassination's stuff, stuff that has no consequence... He released a binder of epstein information that was ALREADY released, and said this is round 1, look at how transparent we are... And then nothing else... Judge a guy by his actions, not by what he says.

I can agree with you to some extent. But I'd like to contend that not showing your taxes don't make you any less transparent. I do think when he talks about transparency he's talking about with the government. not with his personal life. he's telling us what's happening on the big stage and that's what matters. i don't care about his damn taxes. now, his court cases, those are ALL accessable...those would detail people he didn't pay, etc. but even those aren't terrible. I'm actually more interested in his court battles than his taxes. I know he makes money. i know he's made a lot of money. he's also lost a lot.

you know as well as i do, when you own a business you have to take risks..sometimes you lose and sometimes you win. its about staying in the game long enough to succeed.

I admire trump. I think he's withstood a lot of shit from people. Do i think he's perfect? nope. i think he's made some serious mistakes when he's talking to the public. but honestly, i open my big mouth and stick my foot in it all the time. the reason I defend him is because there's seriously something to this trump derangement syndrome. it's real...and the only reason for it is because hillary et all decided to trash talk him so she could win the presidency in 2016. he was a threat no to democracy, but to the deep state.

 

[MikePro]

He specifically said he'd release them, he just wasn't legally allowed to because he was being audited - did he release them ? No...

released them, and yet you still can't let it go