Delivering a cabinet to another state... Do I need DOT numbers?

Texas_Signmaker

Very Active Signmaker
Thought came to my mind. If I'm delivering a sign across state lines do I need DOT numbers?

Normally I drive a white HD pickup service body but I'm thinking with a 6'x22' lighted cabinet on a trailer it might grab some attention going past a weigh station. Do I need DOT stuff to do that??
 

Gino

Premium Subscriber
Most likely not. You need to know the combined weight of your pickup loaded along with the trailer and it's capacity. I don't think it depends on how much you're actually transporting on this trip, but what are your gross weights. If it's over 10,000lbs, then you'll most likely need to get one.
 

Gino

Premium Subscriber
Well add on your trailer and it's full capacity and I guess you'll need to apply for a number. Hope you don't hafta do this soon, as it might take some time to get all the legalities outta the way. It might be better to hire someone to take it, or come pick it up and be prepared for the next time.
 

Gino

Premium Subscriber
Yo...... A simple google did this on the first try.

If the combined total GVWR is 10,001 pounds or greater, it falls within the FMCSA's definition of a CMV. Even a pickup truck pulling a trailer requires a US DOT number if it's over the minimum combined weight limit. ... They generally operate under one Federal Employer Identification Number (FEIN).​
 

JBurton

Signtologist
Psh, put some foam on the trailer and lay it face down, you could sneak right through any weigh stations! Just don't get caught in the rain or you'll arrive with a pool.
 

2B

Member
I saw that and 9500 is under 10,000. I guess GVW doesn't include trailer. I duno, I don't think that applies to me but I thought I'd ask to make sure.

It also lists;
  • GVW: Gross Vehicle Weight—
  • GVWR: Gross Vehicle Weight Rating—
  • GCWR: Gross Combination Weight Rating—
  • GCW: Gross Combination Weight --
So technically you need a DOT,
However, as JBurton says, it is easy to go through a station with the right packing
 

Texas_Signmaker

Very Active Signmaker
Need it hung in central AR? Hopefully it's not Hot Springs...

Lol, I snuck into Hot Springs a few months ago and thew one up... Went months without seeing rain in Dallas and as soon as I crossed over on I-30 it was non-stop rain the whole day. No this is outside of Memphis
 

JBurton

Signtologist
However, as JBurton says, it is easy to go through a station with the right packing
Just to clarify, I have driven through without any issue, but laying a sign face down (especially with fluorescents) could be a nightmare!

Lol, I snuck into Hot Springs a few months ago and thew one up... Went months without seeing rain in Dallas and as soon as I crossed over on I-30 it was non-stop rain the whole day. No this is outside of Memphis
I'd never! We installed a gamestop inside a mall there. Had to go back and meet the inspector who flagged the sign for not having a grommet where secondary power jumped through one section of the can. Heard of a guy getting flagged for having UL numbers that did not match between permit and paperwork. Turns out they sent two identical signs in two different directions. The city would not let them revise the permit in time, so they had to go and cut the other sign down to swap them out... Hot Springs is a bunch of asshats. But they have some excellent burlesque shows!
 

Old Timer

New Member
I believe the requirement has been put back to 26,000 lbs combined weight for usdot. refer to sections 391, 392, and 393 fmcsa
 

rjssigns

Active Member
I'm under the 26,001 weight limit, but over 10,001 with my racing operation. I'm required to have a DOT number and abide by HOS guidelines. Also required to pass a DOT physical every two years, carry a FedMed card, have current inspections on truck and trailer, and keep log books. Up to date fire extinguisher inspections too.

Why? Because I go out of state for car shows/races. Example: I go to Michigan for a show. I win first place. According to law my vehicle may get a bump in value from that activity/trophy. Even though no money changed hands it is enough reason to say I'm engaged in interstate commerce.:confused: Same applies if I win money at a race.

What it comes down to: When you cross state lines in a potentially money making activity you are bound by the rules of Interstate Commerce. Period, end of discussion.

How do I know this? Myself and a friend spent hours with our states lead Motor Carrier enforcement officer. Really nice guy and patient answering our questions.

If you carry a DOT number on your vehicle DO NOT under any circumstances do your own brake work. EVER!!! It is one of the first things they check in the event of a crash. If something is out of whack and you worked on them your suffering will be legendary.

How picky are they? My truck had two failures its first inspection. One was a tiny nick in the left wiper blade. The other was a small chip on one of the fan blades. Got both fixed then showed receipts, got inspected again and got my sticker.

Take away from all this? Do not think you're smarter than the people who will be writing you tickets and taking you to court.

Old joke:
Know how to become a millionaire racer?

Start with two million then go racing.
 

Gino

Premium Subscriber
There's only 2 sides to a story. One's right and the other is wrong.

It's kinda like can you instal an electric sign without a UL stamp or being a licensed electrician ?? Sure you can, but not legally. Knowing how to do something and being allowed to do it are two very different things. You can do it, but if you get caught, just once, it could be the end of your new venture. Government is very strict about a lotta things, but when you are caught and should've been doing it one way and you plead ignorance or whatever, they don't care. Rent a truck form U-haul. They have tricks just for that. Rent one way and take a train home.
 

joshGN

New Member
if you're hauling the sign with a Semi truck, then ya...but a regular pick up, no...

I too have a racing operation, I have a 38ft Pusher and a 32ft Enclosed trailer, total length is 76ft...Whats a weight station? LOL...Ive never been to one....
 
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