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WildWestDesigns

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Unfortunately, most advancements in tools lead to the decline of knowledge in what those tools abstract away. Seen that in a lot of fields, including some that people in here participate in. People nowadays know the abstraction, not what is under the hood and at some point that's going to blow up. While I used to like my tech more in the past, there are some good aspects of it, just can't lose sight of can one still do something if the power goes out, the internet goes down etc.
 

netsol

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in all fairness, i have to point out that we would always have a plethora of dullards, even in the absence of AI

it really isn't AI making them stupid.

it bothers me more that those developing AI feel obligated to follow the plot line of their favorite science fiction movie and have AI attempt to destroy us before the 5 five year anniversary
 

WildWestDesigns

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in all fairness, i have to point out that we would always have a plethora of dullards, even in the absence of AI

it really isn't AI making them stupid.
To a point, yes, but I have seen people (this is mainly in the coding sphere) that have developed what is known as the "AI Pause", even if they know the answer (or at least an answer) to the problem that they are trying to solve, they still wait for the prompt and actually lose efficiency and lose actually knowing the code base that they are working with.

But, to your point, this just enables those that need that extra bump to be able to go just a little bit further without having to need to gain anything.

Well, "AI" at this point, isn't the "AI" of those movies/novels. I'm not really all that concerned about Skynet at this point. That may change, but not really at that point yet. At least not with what we see in the consumer world that is being called "AI".
 

netsol

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To a point, yes, but I have seen people (this is mainly in the coding sphere) that have developed what is known as the "AI Pause", even if they know the answer (or at least an answer) to the problem that they are trying to solve, they still wait for the prompt and actually lose efficiency and lose actually knowing the code base that they are working with.

But, to your point, this just enables those that need that extra bump to be able to go just a little bit further without having to need to gain anything.

Well, "AI" at this point, isn't the "AI" of those movies/novels. I'm not really all that concerned about Skynet at this point. That may change, but not really at that point yet. At least not with what we see in the consumer world that is being called "AI".
In the 1970’s I worked with & reported to “Fred”.
in 1976 we bought Fred a Casio calculator for around $125. ALMOST OVERNIGHT, Fred lost the ability to add numbers in his head (and count on his fingers…)

I am not optimistic what the effect of AI will be
 

WildWestDesigns

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In the 1970’s I worked with & reported to “Fred”.
in 1976 we bought Fred a Casio calculator for around $125. ALMOST OVERNIGHT, Fred lost the ability to add numbers in his head (and count on his fingers…)

I am not optimistic what the effect of AI will be
Have you seen what happens to people's ability to handle cash/change calculations when the register isn't working? That is a scary sight.
 

WildWestDesigns

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once AI works its magic we will barely be sentient
Won't be too long. We have already been hard at work with that for quite a long time as it is.

As much as I like tech, the older I get, the more of a luddite I become. It's all in the implementation of it. The devil is in the detail.
 

Gino

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Once you depend on someone or some other means to get you to your goal, you are no longer in control.

Taking it down to...... you own a breakfast joint. You specialize in pancakes. You hired Harry, who's great at making all kindsa great pancakes. You're raking in the cash and Harry says, you need me, but I want $40. more an hour with my talents.

You can't pay that or duplicate his recipes. Oops.

Learn what you can and don't depend on that which you can't do or duplcate.
 

WildWestDesigns

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Once you depend on someone or some other means to get you to your goal, you are no longer in control.

Taking it down to...... you own a breakfast joint. You specialize in pancakes. You hired Harry, who's great at making all kindsa great pancakes. You're raking in the cash and Harry says, you need me, but I want $40. more an hour with my talents.

You can't pay that or duplicate his recipes. Oops.

Learn what you can and don't depend on that which you can't do or duplcate.

Yes. Once one doesn't know what's being abstracted and that abstraction can be in the form of an employee, but if someone is going to specialize in something, they really have to have some knowledge in it, otherwise, I don't understand the desire to get in that area. And if it's something that "you" and someone else are bringing in different expertise to the table, the other person is usually something more than just a regular employee.

Plus, if we are talking cooking, not having a recipe book spells disaster for the survival of that establishment, consistency is going to be all over the place (even with the same cook doing everything). What happens if the cook is on vacation, is sick or anything along those lines? Not having recipes down is going to be no bueno, even if there isn't a "contract" dispute. But I digress.

This is why when it comes to vector software, I never bothered with software specific functions/tools, it was always say the bezier pen, shape primitives, boolen operation etc, something that is common to any decent vector program (any other shortcomings, able to create my own plugin or create a primitive full fledge program to handle it, however, even with building my own plugins and/or programs I still have dependency with others). Why when Adobe went with SaaS, I was able to move away at some point without having to get on that lunacy. Just took enough time to move whatever files I had to to more "portable" formats.

Everybody is dependent on something, even in the analog world unless "you" too make your own brushes, pen holders, nibs, inks, paper etc or able to cobble something together on "your" own. Or you could be like Charles Schulz, when Esterbrook went under (although I think it's been revived, I prefer Speedball myself, but I digress), purchase all the remaining specific nibs that they had that he liked, so he could still continue using that for the Peanuts strip.

Key thing is how much knowledge one has to move around when something goes south with whatever they are using.

But the twist in the situation of "AI" is that it ability to adapt is not going to be there. Like it or not, we also learn and imprint what we learn by going thru "teething pains" of having to learn something, "AI" abstracts that away (rather or not it's correct is another matter), so people will have to go back to it for the same thing that they went to it a previous day. Especially if there is a slight variance to the prompt that they didn't have from the previous time and they don't have the knowledge to handle that "what if" without consulting "AI".
 
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