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So this happened yesterday...
- Thread starter Stacey K
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Gino
Premium Subscriber
I simply tell people, if you can snap a picture and send it to me along with the measurements, I'll get you a quote. You can have two revisions if the job is over say $8 or 900. If this goes before a group of people for votes, I'll re-quote it if there are any silly changes. If someone in your congregation can hang, adhere..... whatever this, it'll be a lot cheaper for ya. If I need to come out due to lousy instructions or wrong parameters, that will also change the bottom-line. Now, I always considered within a 10 miles radius I could come out, but if I could avoid it..... I would.
Your people have changed the boundaries way too often to even consider the cost would not change. The guy you're dealing with sounds like the treasurer of so many churches, real estate companies and car lot owners. Kick him in the balls and when he stops screeching tell him you're no longer interested. You have other people willing to pay you for your time and expertise.
Your people have changed the boundaries way too often to even consider the cost would not change. The guy you're dealing with sounds like the treasurer of so many churches, real estate companies and car lot owners. Kick him in the balls and when he stops screeching tell him you're no longer interested. You have other people willing to pay you for your time and expertise.
Texas_Signmaker
Very Active Signmaker
That's what goes though my head when I read your posts......
TradeBalanceBoss
New Member
The tragic irony: The truth is simple, but only the intelligent can see its simplicity. Everyone else experiences it as chaos, so they follow whatever feels simple to them, which is usually whatever requires the least thinking.
The Blind Signman
New Member
the real problem is the invention of the digital printer and vinyl cutter,,,and the REAL sign writers who hand lettered and are skilled ...and then the "lawn mowers " dishwashers" stock boys" and the "whhataa my goonna do! bought a dell computer and Flexi 4 program with a 42 floppy disc ...with NO layout skills went into buisness...
Do you charge for design time, artwork revisions etc? I think if you did the customer would be quicker to make amendments and agree artwork once they are aware that your time is valuable and they are on the clock.
One of the statements we often put on our quotes in the installation section is "assumes clear and easy access to all installation locations", something similar to this may have made provided you with an easy way to walk away from the job or even make a customer think.
Perhaps it makes sense to see the installation location prior to quoting & typically we never trust other people's measurements mnh
One of the statements we often put on our quotes in the installation section is "assumes clear and easy access to all installation locations", something similar to this may have made provided you with an easy way to walk away from the job or even make a customer think.
Perhaps it makes sense to see the installation location prior to quoting & typically we never trust other people's measurements mnh
Texas_Signmaker
Very Active Signmaker
The alcoholic crazy sign painter is a dying breed. Glad there's still a few of you left.
Scootershooter
New Member
I thought that guy painted it on the ceiling....
Yes, we could have simply hung stacey 12 feet in the air with a dozen paint cans & a friggin brush & she could have simply painted the damn thing, the way god intended. (If I am following your train of thought)
DL Signs
Never go against the family
Ahh the committee... Top 10
1) Where a simple quote for a simple sign turns into a wall mural, for the same price of course.
2) If you have 10 people on the committee, you'll probably end up with no less than 20 revisions. Everyone's opinion matters twice you know.
3) The timeline starts out ASAP, then drags on for months because no 2 of the 10 can agree on anything, much less a majority. Sometimes you just stop hearing from them, and breathe a sigh of releif. Then the job resume 6 months later because they're all talking to each other again after a major disagreement over it. That price is still good, right?
4) After all 10 proof their work, you'll still usually end up fixing no less than 8 typos if there's a single line of text.
5) If you need measurements, maybe one of them can use a ruler, but he's off till next month. It's about the size of my kitchen table at home if that helps.
6) If you need pictures, someone who still obviously uses an old flip phone takes them, they're the size & resolution of an icon, and blurry... Oh yeah, and their thumb was covering half the lense. But you can work with that, right?
7) They're always happy to send a pic of something someone else did they found on line that won't work where they want it.
8) If they volunteer to help, if it's for a discount all 10 are magically nowhere to be found, if it's just out of the goodness of their hearts, they're all there, suddenly sign and graphic experts who want to supervise you.
9) Then there's always the one guy who says "I can lay graphics, no problem", and we all know the direction that one takes. Print 3 copies of everything,they can't afford to pay for what they messed up, but you didn't need a profit on that job anyway, did you?
10) After you go out of your way to accomodate them, lose any possibility of any profit just to get it over with, and think you're in the clear, you become their go-to for all the other committees in their organization. Here we go again...
Ain't the sign industry grand?
1) Where a simple quote for a simple sign turns into a wall mural, for the same price of course.
2) If you have 10 people on the committee, you'll probably end up with no less than 20 revisions. Everyone's opinion matters twice you know.
3) The timeline starts out ASAP, then drags on for months because no 2 of the 10 can agree on anything, much less a majority. Sometimes you just stop hearing from them, and breathe a sigh of releif. Then the job resume 6 months later because they're all talking to each other again after a major disagreement over it. That price is still good, right?
4) After all 10 proof their work, you'll still usually end up fixing no less than 8 typos if there's a single line of text.
5) If you need measurements, maybe one of them can use a ruler, but he's off till next month. It's about the size of my kitchen table at home if that helps.
6) If you need pictures, someone who still obviously uses an old flip phone takes them, they're the size & resolution of an icon, and blurry... Oh yeah, and their thumb was covering half the lense. But you can work with that, right?
7) They're always happy to send a pic of something someone else did they found on line that won't work where they want it.
8) If they volunteer to help, if it's for a discount all 10 are magically nowhere to be found, if it's just out of the goodness of their hearts, they're all there, suddenly sign and graphic experts who want to supervise you.
9) Then there's always the one guy who says "I can lay graphics, no problem", and we all know the direction that one takes. Print 3 copies of everything,they can't afford to pay for what they messed up, but you didn't need a profit on that job anyway, did you?
10) After you go out of your way to accomodate them, lose any possibility of any profit just to get it over with, and think you're in the clear, you become their go-to for all the other committees in their organization. Here we go again...
Ain't the sign industry grand?
DL Signs
Never go against the family
Ahh the committee... Top 10
1) Where a simple quote for a simple sign turns into a wall mural, for the same price of course.
2) If you have 10 people on the committee, you'll probably end up with no less than 20 revisions. Everyone's opinion matters twice you know.
3) The timeline starts out ASAP, then drags on for months because no 2 of the 10 can agree on anything, much less a majority. Sometimes you just stop hearing from them, and breathe a sigh of releif. Then the job resume 6 months later because they're all talking to each other again after a major disagreement over it. That price is still good, right?
4) After all 10 proof their work, you'll still usually end up fixing no less than 8 typos if there's a single line of text.
5) If you need measurements, maybe one of them can use a ruler, but he's off till next month. It's about the size of my kitchen table at home if that helps.
6) If you need pictures, someone who still obviously uses an old flip phone takes them, they're the size & resolution of an icon, and blurry... Oh yeah, and their thumb was covering half the lense. But you can work with that, right?
7) They're always happy to send a pic of something someone else did they found on line that won't work where they want it.
8) If they volunteer to help, if it's for a discount all 10 are magically nowhere to be found, if it's just out of the goodness of their hearts, they're all there, suddenly sign and graphic experts who want to supervise you.
9) Then there's always the one guy who says "I can lay graphics, no problem", and we all know the direction that one takes. Print 3 copies of everything,they can't afford to pay for what they messed up, but you didn't need a profit on that job anyway, did you?
10) After you go out of your way to accomodate them, lose any possibility of any profit just to get it over with, and think you're in the clear, you become their go-to for all the other committees in their organization. Here we go again...
Ain't the sign industry grand?
1) Where a simple quote for a simple sign turns into a wall mural, for the same price of course.
2) If you have 10 people on the committee, you'll probably end up with no less than 20 revisions. Everyone's opinion matters twice you know.
3) The timeline starts out ASAP, then drags on for months because no 2 of the 10 can agree on anything, much less a majority. Sometimes you just stop hearing from them, and breathe a sigh of releif. Then the job resume 6 months later because they're all talking to each other again after a major disagreement over it. That price is still good, right?
4) After all 10 proof their work, you'll still usually end up fixing no less than 8 typos if there's a single line of text.
5) If you need measurements, maybe one of them can use a ruler, but he's off till next month. It's about the size of my kitchen table at home if that helps.
6) If you need pictures, someone who still obviously uses an old flip phone takes them, they're the size & resolution of an icon, and blurry... Oh yeah, and their thumb was covering half the lense. But you can work with that, right?
7) They're always happy to send a pic of something someone else did they found on line that won't work where they want it.
8) If they volunteer to help, if it's for a discount all 10 are magically nowhere to be found, if it's just out of the goodness of their hearts, they're all there, suddenly sign and graphic experts who want to supervise you.
9) Then there's always the one guy who says "I can lay graphics, no problem", and we all know the direction that one takes. Print 3 copies of everything,they can't afford to pay for what they messed up, but you didn't need a profit on that job anyway, did you?
10) After you go out of your way to accomodate them, lose any possibility of any profit just to get it over with, and think you're in the clear, you become their go-to for all the other committees in their organization. Here we go again...
Ain't the sign industry grand?
Texas_Signmaker
Very Active Signmaker
I can't believe I made it to #10. I was disappointed after the first 2 and kept going and it got worse
back when i used to hand paint signage on brick walls i got a call from a company that gave me dimension on outside wall i did layout and tey accepted when it came time to start painting and making patterns there was a damn power meter and a window where the "blank" wall was because they renovated and stuff got moved and added......taught me a lesson go out and look!
DL Signs
Never go against the family
I got the "oops, something went wrong" error on the first one... Been getting that a lot
Texas_Signmaker
Very Active Signmaker
Alot!I got the "oops, something went wrong" error on the first one... Been getting that a lot
Boudica
I'm here for Educational Purposes
(FTFY) ...it's two words.
JBurton
Signtologist
A whole helluva lot... 6 words, one double contraction.
Boudica
I'm here for Educational Purposes
That took me a second...