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US Tariffs, Sigh!

MikePro

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Open the link... Trump did not release them... He was forced to release them by the Senate, or whatever branch of government that committee is. being forced to isn't being transparent.
a lawsuit opened the door for him to release them regardless of audit, the committee then released them to the public.
either way, he released them. ...too bad Canadians with TDS never noticed, and still don't care to see their own PM's.

....which is a shame, because it probably would have revealed that Trudeau was claiming Castro as a dependent until 2016.
 

ikarasu

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a lawsuit opened the door for him to release them regardless of audit, the committee then released them to the public.
either way, he released them. ...too bad Canadians with TDS never noticed, and still don't care to see their own PM's.

....which is a shame, because it probably would have revealed that Trudeau was claiming Castro as a dependent until 2016.
Where did he release them? Because I only see a commitee that released them.... I don't see even 1 year that he himself released them.

Is he being audited again? Because he hasn't released the past years tax returns either.

Trudeau didn't run on being the most transparent PM ever, then go on and reneg about it...did he?

Canadas PMs have their own problems, lots of them We can bash Trudeau, Carney, Anyone you want... I'm not afraid to point out their flaws, I don't think anyone is perfect.... and I'll say this, I truely believe Trump would get A LOT done for America if people held him accountable and called him out on his shit too, instead of saying it doesnt matter, or slipping it under the rug. - As for Canada - They should release their tax returns. And I can guarantee you if the past 50 years the previous PM's have released them, then all of a sudden a candidate came saying they werent going to release them.... Everyone would ask why he wouldn't be releasing them.
 

MikePro

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Where did he release them? Because I only see a commitee that released them.... I don't see even 1 year that he himself released them.
point to the doll, and tell me where the tax returns touched you.
would you like his golf handicap too? maybe some dick pics?

i'm so sorry this is so difficult, but your TDS is incurable and whatever point you're trying to make has no merit whatsoever.
 
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ikarasu

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I can agree with you to some extent. But I'd like to contend that not showing your taxes don't make you any less transparent. I do think when he talks about transparency he's talking about with the government. not with his personal life. he's telling us what's happening on the big stage and that's what matters. i don't care about his damn taxes. now, his court cases, those are ALL accessable...those would detail people he didn't pay, etc. but even those aren't terrible. I'm actually more interested in his court battles than his taxes. I know he makes money. i know he's made a lot of money. he's also lost a lot.

you know as well as i do, when you own a business you have to take risks..sometimes you lose and sometimes you win. its about staying in the game long enough to succeed.

I admire trump. I think he's withstood a lot of shit from people. Do i think he's perfect? nope. i think he's made some serious mistakes when he's talking to the public. but honestly, i open my big mouth and stick my foot in it all the time. the reason I defend him is because there's seriously something to this trump derangement syndrome. it's real...and the only reason for it is because hillary et all decided to trash talk him so she could win the presidency in 2016. he was a threat no to democracy, but to the deep state.
It makes you less transparent in a lot of ways. One main thing of the presidency is to get rid of all bias / conflicts of interest... Thats why most presidents released their returns. Trump not doing so is making a part of the government that was pretty transparent, not as transparent. Now it'd be different if he just straight up said it's non of your business what my tax returns say... But when you run on being transparent... it opens it up to a can of worms. The tax return and seeing what the president who has pretty much unliteral power to shape the way America is, is part of government transparency. What if Obama did the same thing... Then all of a sudden gave a shitload of tax breaks to Tesla / EV vehicles, etc? Would you not wonder if he has stocks / investments in EV's / Teslas? That maaaaybe his decision to give these tax breaks would be because it's going to benefit him... not the country?

Trump makes a shitload off of his presidency - Hell, he's selling his own form of bitcoin.... He sells a ton of presidential stuff in his hotels... Theres a lot of conflict of interest stuff that he does... It's not about him making money, it's about seeing where his money is coming from to see if his decisions are being influenced by it.

I remember when he refused, the main story was he owes a ton of money to russian banks, And thats why he's a russian asset / being so weak with the russians. Having his return would have proven he wasn't.... Theres a lot of reasons they started to release their returns... so when someone comes in and all of a sudden wont.... It's suspicious, isnt it?


Trump gets a lot of shit for stuff he doesn't deserve, but its partly his own fault. He likes to Skirt the rules, or outright break them - Look at tariffs whether you agree with them or not, is it the presidents job to impose tariffs? What he's doing is illegal, and will eventually be over turned... And maybe he doesn't know better because he didn't grow up in politics... But if you run your presidency in a backhanded sneaky way skirting the rules... you can't blame the other side for doing the same thing.

Remember when obama had a scandal for wearing a beiege suite? or using dijon mustard? Bush stuttered once with the fool me once line, and no one shut up about it... Both sides pick ridiculous things to scream about. Trump just gives them more ammo to fight with... And its dumb. he controlls congress, had he gone to them with a bill to increase tarrifs instead of issue an executive order... I'm sure they would have done it... so why bypass the constitution and put the order in jeopardy? I think it's like you said... he never grew up a politic, I don't think he realizes what he can, or cant do... or how he should do it, he just sees a goal and is willing to plow through anything in order to get it.
 

ikarasu

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point to the doll, and tell me where the tax returns touched you.
would you like his golf handicap too? maybe some dick pics?

i'm so sorry this is so difficult, but your TDS is incurable and whatever point you're trying to make has no merit whatsoever.
His golf handicap is fake as well, he's been caught on Camera cheating a lot! but I'm sure with the amount of time he's spent on the course he's half decent.

Comments like this make the discussion pointless though. Stop acting like he's a god, grow a pair, and call him out when he deserves to be called out. Praise him for the good he does... Just dont act like he's infallible and has done nothing wrong in his presidency, Thats the real derangement.
 
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MikePro

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for a Canadian, you sure are obsessed with our politics while completely dismissing any commentary on your hypocrisy.
 

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be more retarded
one is a tax filing presented to the government.
the other is a crime family being protected by unconstitutional acts.
You sound like such a wonderful person. "Libtard", "retard", transphobe. Cool guy.

Got proof of that crime family crap you keep peddling? I'm sure the Republican party would love to see it, since their investigations sure can't find anything.
 

ikarasu

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for a Canadian, you sure are obsessed with our politics while completely dismissing any commentary on your hypocrisy.
I have US citizenship. I planned on moving to USA, funny thing is it's not even the president that made me change my mind... It's the us vs them mentality a lot of people have. Democrats and Republicans have been brainwashed into fighting each other and making each other the enemy.

And it's not USA politics I'm obsessed with. It's how people can turn a blind eye or sip the Kool aid and believe every word they're being told. It's like Russia / North Korea.... If they had a lot of people on here saying how godly their leader was, I'm sure you'd be more than happy to chime in and point out that they're being blindsided.

Before you get your panties in a bunch, I'm not saying Republicans are as bad as Russians / North Korean people.... But it sure feels like it's starting to turn that way with some people blindly following trump and not willing to condem or even acknowledge when he lies or does something wrong.

You'll notice I haven't once denied anything the Democrats have done that was shitty ... Whether it's Hilary's emails, Bill Clinton's constant mentioning in flight logs to Epstein Island....

I didn't even defend, or contradict you guys when you were saying a lot of Democrats are getting in trouble for Russian hoax / etc.... because I don't know enough about it, and haven't even following it - and I'm not going to just blindly say the Democratic leaders have done nothing wrong and you guys are making shit up.
 
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MikePro

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yawn. you live in BC, and people are overdosing on the streets in the US.
quit feigning moral superiority and just say that its pretty where you are.
 
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Geneva Olson

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It makes you less transparent in a lot of ways. One main thing of the presidency is to get rid of all bias / conflicts of interest... Thats why most presidents released their returns. Trump not doing so is making a part of the government that was pretty transparent, not as transparent. Now it'd be different if he just straight up said it's non of your business what my tax returns say... But when you run on being transparent... it opens it up to a can of worms. The tax return and seeing what the president who has pretty much unliteral power to shape the way America is, is part of government transparency. What if Obama did the same thing... Then all of a sudden gave a shitload of tax breaks to Tesla / EV vehicles, etc? Would you not wonder if he has stocks / investments in EV's / Teslas? That maaaaybe his decision to give these tax breaks would be because it's going to benefit him... not the country?

Trump makes a shitload off of his presidency - Hell, he's selling his own form of bitcoin.... He sells a ton of presidential stuff in his hotels... Theres a lot of conflict of interest stuff that he does... It's not about him making money, it's about seeing where his money is coming from to see if his decisions are being influenced by it.

I remember when he refused, the main story was he owes a ton of money to russian banks, And thats why he's a russian asset / being so weak with the russians. Having his return would have proven he wasn't.... Theres a lot of reasons they started to release their returns... so when someone comes in and all of a sudden wont.... It's suspicious, isnt it?


Trump gets a lot of shit for stuff he doesn't deserve, but its partly his own fault. He likes to Skirt the rules, or outright break them - Look at tariffs whether you agree with them or not, is it the presidents job to impose tariffs? What he's doing is illegal, and will eventually be over turned... And maybe he doesn't know better because he didn't grow up in politics... But if you run your presidency in a backhanded sneaky way skirting the rules... you can't blame the other side for doing the same thing.

Remember when obama had a scandal for wearing a beiege suite? or using dijon mustard? Bush stuttered once with the fool me once line, and no one shut up about it... Both sides pick ridiculous things to scream about. Trump just gives them more ammo to fight with... And its dumb. he controlls congress, had he gone to them with a bill to increase tarrifs instead of issue an executive order... I'm sure they would have done it... so why bypass the constitution and put the order in jeopardy? I think it's like you said... he never grew up a politic, I don't think he realizes what he can, or cant do... or how he should do it, he just sees a goal and is willing to plow through anything in order to get it.
Now it's my turn to ask do you honestly believe what comes out of your mouth or do you just make talking points.
No, tariffs are not illegal. Him imposing them is not illegal. It's the same as sanctions.
Do you still believe he's a Russian asset? because that's the conspiracy that's now coming out.
No, it's not suspicious for a private citizen to back up and say, "wait, why do I have to do this again?" I know I would. What's funny is that George W. Bush may have released his tax returns, but he still did shady shit with shell companies. George HW was running drugs through Arkansas, Texas and Florida when he was president. Guess who was governors of those states. But people turned a blind eye to that one.
All of those presidents did some shady shit AND showed their tax returns. Guess what, no one bothered to look. Sure, they were available, but who looked?
And BIDEN? that asshole has been stealing documents since the 70s. and he still showed his tax returns. Looks like they all used shell companies to hide their assets.

My point to this is just because you show your tax returns doesn't mean that you're transparent.
 
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Geneva Olson

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I have US citizenship. I planned on moving to USA, funny thing is it's not even the president that made me change my mind... It's the us vs them mentality a lot of people have. Democrats and Republicans have been brainwashed into fighting each other and making each other the enemy.

And it's not USA politics I'm obsessed with. It's how people can turn a blind eye or sip the Kool aid and believe every word they're being told. It's like Russia / North Korea.... If they had a lot of people on here saying how godly their leader was, I'm sure you'd be more than happy to chime in and point out that they're being blindsided.

Before you get your panties in a bunch, I'm not saying Republicans are as bad as Russians / North Korean people.... But it sure feels like it's starting to turn that way with some people blindly following trump and not willing to condem or even acknowledge when he lies or does something wrong.

You'll notice I haven't once denied anything the Democrats have done that was shitty ... Whether it's Hilary's emails, Bill Clinton's constant mentioning in flight logs to Epstein Island....

I didn't even defend, or contradict you guys when you were saying a lot of Democrats are getting in trouble for Russian hoax / etc.... because I don't know enough about it, and haven't even following it - and I'm not going to just blindly say the Democratic leaders have done nothing wrong and you guys are making shit up.
The reason why people hate trump is because they've been conditioned to hate trump. you seem to not want to condemn the democrats because you don't know enough. but you seem to know a lot about condemning trump. why is that?

(we've heard nothing "but trump" since 2016) we didn't blindly follow him. but the media made sure that people blindly hated him.
 
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MikePro

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I think the President will signal the aliens to land their UFOs right before the file release to distract us.
i believe that aliens are simply earthlings that left a looong time ago in search of a round planet
…and now they’re back because they’re sick of us broadcasting Kardashian reruns
 
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ikarasu

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Now it's my turn to ask do you honestly believe what comes out of your mouth or do you just make talking points.
No, tariffs are not illegal. Him imposing them is not illegal. It's the same as sanctions.
Do you still believe he's a Russian asset? because that's the conspiracy that's now coming out.
No, it's not suspicious for a private citizen to back up and say, "wait, why do I have to do this again?" I know I would. What's funny is that George W. Bush may have released his tax returns, but he still did shady shit with shell companies. George HW was running drugs through Arkansas, Texas and Florida when he was president. Guess who was governors of those states. But people turned a blind eye to that one.
All of those presidents did some shady shit AND showed their tax returns. Guess what, no one bothered to look. Sure, they were available, but who looked?
And BIDEN? that asshole has been stealing documents since the 70s. and he still showed his tax returns. Looks like they all used shell companies to hide their assets.

My point to this is just because you show your tax returns doesn't mean that you're transparent.


Tarrifs are not illegal... but he doesn't have the authority to impose the tarrifs he's imposing. He's supposed to have power, which was delegated to him by congress to improse emergency tarrifs - You can't just scream everything is an emergency so you can abuse those powers. Congress can issue whatever tarrifs they want on any country - That power was given to them in the constitution. They delegated a bit away to the president, so during war times / times of crisis the president can act without having to go through congress. So if russia invades USA, or another Country... Trump can add a million percent tarrif on them if he wants to. If Trump feels like every country is ripping USA off, him screaming Emergency and tarrifing every country is NOT what congress delegated to him. Theres a reason why it's in court, and will be heading to the supreme court... He's spouting some onscure 1977 law, which has nothing to do with tariffs as his reasoning for being allowed to impose them. Congress controls the purse... not the president. As an American, you should brush up on what each branch of the government does... And WHY it's three branches who all have seperate powers, to supposedly keep each power in check.

I've never believed, nor said Trump was a Russian asset.... Never did, nor do I to this day.

Sure, a private citizen can do what they want. But when you're running for, and accepting the highest position in office... you kind of give up a bit of your "I'm a private citizen, I'm not doing that!" rights. It's the same in ANY other business - I again point to tulsa... She gave up and divested away from her Tesla stocks because she didnt want anyone to even think she has a conflict of interest. Why didn't she as a private citizen tell everyone to pound sand?

Theres a thing called "Held to a higher standard". And when you're in the most powerful position in the world, don't you think the person in that position should be held to a higher standard than joe blow down the street? Theres so many reasons trump should release his tax return / divulge everything he has interests in... Yeah, I'm sure all the presidents before him released it and still did shady shit. Now imagine how much more shady shit they could get away with if they didn't release it.

Why do the Democrats have to be brought into every single argument? When you got in trouble for fighting, did you say but so and so fights? If you got in shit for being a bad employee, do you blame others? You shouldn't view the presidency as The democrats did worst so what he's doing is fine. Hold EVERYONE to a high standard... And if the Democrats bitch more, and louder... Well, speak up more and be louder.

I've condemned democrats PLENTY, I even said I voted for Trump because of what Hilary did with her E-mails. The difference is I put my money where my mouth is, I'm not afraid of condemning them, I'm not afraid of voting against them and calling them out when they do illegal shit... But what do you want, me to do a history lesson and go through all the bad shit Democrats did? Theres a reason I think most billionaires and people in power are shitbags.... It's not jealousy, it's because almost ALL of them do corrupt shit because they can get away with it. Pick any president... Democrat or Republican, And I'm sure you / I can dig up stuff on them thats bad..

I tell my wife everytime it comes up, that Trump is still a better choice than Hilary... Because for all the bad shit trumps done, all the skirting the laws, I'm sure Hilary would have done 10x as much that we never would have heard about, and she would have got away with it. At least people are challenging trump and a lot of his shit gets over turned.


[Edit] If you havent... watch the show house of cards. It's obviously to the extreme, I doubt the president has / or would ever push someone off a train track... but I guarantee you its a pretty accurate portrayal of politics / people in power, and all the shady shit they do to stay in power with backroom deals.
 
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