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US Tariffs, Sigh!

user23434

Premium Subscriber
ok. Would you rather pay tax on what you make? or tax (tariff) on what you spend?
perhaps basic econ has been lost on you.
A proposal.

American Earnings Freedom & National Tariff Act (AEFNTA)
“You pay when you buy, not when you earn.”



Phase-Out of Income and Payroll Taxation


Reform AreaDetails
Immediate Income Tax Elimination (Under $65K)All individuals earning $65,000/year or less pay no federal income tax, effective immediately.
Phase-Out for Higher EarnersGradual phase-out of federal income taxes over 5–7 years for incomes above $65K, prioritizing middle-income earners first.
Constitutional SafeguardPropose amendment to permanently ban wage-based federal income taxation on U.S. citizens.



Tariff Structure to Replace Federal Revenue


OptionAverage Tariff RateRevenue Balance Approach
Option A: Full Replacement20–25%Replaces income/payroll taxes fully through tariffs alone.
Option B: Balanced15–20%Tariffs + reduced spending + modest consumption tax.
Option C: Lean Government5–10%Deep spending cuts + limited backup tax (e.g. sales tax or capital tax).

Tariffs target non-essential imports. No tariffs on life-saving medicines, food staples, or domestic necessities.



Luxury Item Tax (LICT)


FeatureDetails
Rate10%–35%, tiered based on value.
Applies ToImported or high-end luxury goods (jewelry, watches, yachts, designer items, etc).
ExemptionsEssentials, U.S.-made goods, moderate lifestyle purchases.
Revenue UseDirected toward debt reduction, infrastructure, veterans, and domestic investment.



Federal Spending Reform and Sovereignty Restoration


ReformDetails
End Foreign AidNo more outbound federal money to foreign governments — U.S. tax dollars stay in the U.S.
Eliminate NGO FundingAll NGO funding is cut — halts misuse, laundering, and unaccountable influence networks.
Shrink BureaucracyEliminate redundancy in all federal agencies. Downsize IRS. Audit defense and foreign spending.
Transparency MandateAll federal spending must be publicly viewable and approved by voter-majority referendum for non-domestic allocations.



Domestic Economic Growth & Incentives


InitiativeDetails
Repatriation IncentivesBring corporate profits home tax-free if used for U.S. worker investment, factories, or R&D.
Domestic Rebuild ZonesStrategic grants to rebuild U.S. factories, raw material processing, and supply chains in key sectors.
Anti-Offshoring PenaltiesU.S. companies using foreign labor face reentry tariffs or corporate penalties.
“Made in America” Tax FreedomGoods certified as 100% U.S.-made are exempt from all federal sales taxes or tariffs.



Morally-Driven Free Market Principles


ValueManifestation
Work is SacredNo tax on your labor — the reward of your work is yours.
Poverty Trap RemovedNo benefit cliffs. No punishment for upward mobility.
Citizens FirstNo more taxing American citizens to fund foreign regimes.
Wealth OptionalityIf you live simply, you pay little. If you buy big, you contribute more.
Reinvestment over RedistributionCapital stays here — in jobs, factories, infrastructure. Not overseas.


Summary of Core Principles​


ValueAEFNTA Delivers
FreedomEnd of forced wage taxation. You keep what you earn.
FairnessNo one is punished for success or trapped in poverty.
SovereigntyNo more foreign payouts. U.S. money stays in the U.S.
SecurityStrong domestic industry, strong working class, strong border.
TransparencyEvery dollar taxed and spent is visible to the public.
 

MP Custom

New Member
Mind you, this guy is an australian talking who has no rights to own a gun so he is at the absolute beckencall of his government.
Yeah, we are so scared. We actually have a working democracy.
And please, you people have all the guns, yet you still allow the government to do whatever it wants. I didn't see an armed uprising when the republicans were so terrified that a trans person might play a sport.
Or armed mobs overthrowing the government.
And do you honestly thing the proud boys and the gravy seals are a match for an army ?
Pointless posturing.
But hey, it's nice to not have active shooter drills in our schools.
 
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MP Custom

New Member
View attachment 179093
You honestly have no clue do you?
How many Americans died from covid? Look at our numbers.
and guess what? It's now being used for emergency shelter during floods and fires.



Alligator Alcatraz cost: Florida spent $200+ million to transform Everglades airstrip - Axios Miami https://share.google/Tl86XEi6nbsEwtNNC
This worked out well for you.
 

MP Custom

New Member
Criminals still have guns and now there is no way for you to defend yourself against them. Only you can call the police who will be there in an hour while you are robbed, raped, and murdered. Notice how it is always criminals doing crime.
OK. How many "Good guys with guns" have stopped "bad guys with guns" in the USA?
If everyone can defend themselves, why are so many killed?
Why is gunshot wounds the #1 cause of death for children in America?
When ours is just injuries from our kids being kids,
 
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Boudica

I'm here for Educational Purposes
I'm not convinced Luser23434 is a real member/person/human. I think it's a bot account that hacked a dormant account. We've seen it on this forum countless times.

At this point it's like arguing with a machine. But in this case you're training the bot how to argue.
 
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MP Custom

New Member
A proposal.

American Earnings Freedom & National Tariff Act (AEFNTA)
“You pay when you buy, not when you earn.”



Phase-Out of Income and Payroll Taxation


Reform AreaDetails
Immediate Income Tax Elimination (Under $65K)All individuals earning $65,000/year or less pay no federal income tax, effective immediately.
Phase-Out for Higher EarnersGradual phase-out of federal income taxes over 5–7 years for incomes above $65K, prioritizing middle-income earners first.
Constitutional SafeguardPropose amendment to permanently ban wage-based federal income taxation on U.S. citizens.



Tariff Structure to Replace Federal Revenue


OptionAverage Tariff RateRevenue Balance Approach
Option A: Full Replacement20–25%Replaces income/payroll taxes fully through tariffs alone.
Option B: Balanced15–20%Tariffs + reduced spending + modest consumption tax.
Option C: Lean Government5–10%Deep spending cuts + limited backup tax (e.g. sales tax or capital tax).





Luxury Item Tax (LICT)


FeatureDetails
Rate10%–35%, tiered based on value.
Applies ToImported or high-end luxury goods (jewelry, watches, yachts, designer items, etc).
ExemptionsEssentials, U.S.-made goods, moderate lifestyle purchases.
Revenue UseDirected toward debt reduction, infrastructure, veterans, and domestic investment.



Federal Spending Reform and Sovereignty Restoration


ReformDetails
End Foreign AidNo more outbound federal money to foreign governments — U.S. tax dollars stay in the U.S.
Eliminate NGO FundingAll NGO funding is cut — halts misuse, laundering, and unaccountable influence networks.
Shrink BureaucracyEliminate redundancy in all federal agencies. Downsize IRS. Audit defense and foreign spending.
Transparency MandateAll federal spending must be publicly viewable and approved by voter-majority referendum for non-domestic allocations.



Domestic Economic Growth & Incentives


InitiativeDetails
Repatriation IncentivesBring corporate profits home tax-free if used for U.S. worker investment, factories, or R&D.
Domestic Rebuild ZonesStrategic grants to rebuild U.S. factories, raw material processing, and supply chains in key sectors.
Anti-Offshoring PenaltiesU.S. companies using foreign labor face reentry tariffs or corporate penalties.
“Made in America” Tax FreedomGoods certified as 100% U.S.-made are exempt from all federal sales taxes or tariffs.



Morally-Driven Free Market Principles


ValueManifestation
Work is SacredNo tax on your labor — the reward of your work is yours.
Poverty Trap RemovedNo benefit cliffs. No punishment for upward mobility.
Citizens FirstNo more taxing American citizens to fund foreign regimes.
Wealth OptionalityIf you live simply, you pay little. If you buy big, you contribute more.
Reinvestment over RedistributionCapital stays here — in jobs, factories, infrastructure. Not overseas.


Summary of Core Principles​


ValueAEFNTA Delivers
FreedomEnd of forced wage taxation. You keep what you earn.
FairnessNo one is punished for success or trapped in poverty.
SovereigntyNo more foreign payouts. U.S. money stays in the U.S.
SecurityStrong domestic industry, strong working class, strong border.
TransparencyEvery dollar taxed and spent is visible to the public.
Well, now that there are only 40 million of you, you won't need to import as much.
You all can choose what abandoned home to live in, and! Less traffic!
Hope the ones that survived has a few people who know how to keep the lights on.


 
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Texas_Signmaker

Very Active Signmaker
I agree with the turtle riding redhead. What's with the new accounts with low post numbers going on and on in the political threads? Plants is what I suspect.
 
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ikarasu

Premium Subscriber
I'm not convinced Luser23434 is a real member/person/human. I think it's a bot account that hacked a dormant account. We've seen it on this forum countless times.

At this point it's like arguing with a machine. But in this case you're training the bot how to argue.
The posts seem very ai / botish, but I ran them through a tester and it came up as not ai....that being said they're getting good at avoiding detection now.

Doesn't mean it's not a bot, and it's very odd a user account of 4 years who never liked or posted a comment became active on Aug 30th and already posted dozens of posts and liked a dozen comments .. And only in the tariff threads.

It'd be interesting if the admin can check his login history, see if hes been quiet and active for years or just all if a sudden appeared from nowhere, which would suggest he's a bot.
 

user23434

Premium Subscriber
Yeah, we are so scared. We actually have a working democracy.
And please, you people have all the guns, yet you still allow the government to do whatever it wants. I didn't see an armed uprising when the republicans were so terrified that a trans person might play a sport.
Or armed mobs overthrowing the government.
And do you honestly thing the proud boys and the gravy seals are a match for an army ?
Pointless posturing.
But hey, it's nice to not have active shooter drills in our schools.
Here is your women's olympic boxing champion, good job.
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user23434

Premium Subscriber
You honestly have no clue do you?
How many Americans died from covid? Look at our numbers.
and guess what? It's now being used for emergency shelter during floods and fires.



Alligator Alcatraz cost: Florida spent $200+ million to transform Everglades airstrip - Axios Miami https://share.google/Tl86XEi6nbsEwtNNC
This worked out well for you.
That is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of all the illegal invaders that are being processed out of the USA through Alligator Alcatraz. That facility is paying for itself hand over fist.

Here is a very modest cost from 2023. This doesn't even include so many other expenses that illegal immigration causes to our court system, welfare handouts, schools, housing inflation, general inflation, insurance costs (car crashes, etc), and so many other factors.

StateTaxpayer Cost per Immigrant 2023Taxpayer Burden of Illegal Immigrants (Adults) 2023Taxpayer Burden of Illegal Immigrants (Adults and Children) 2023
California$7,074$22.82 Bn$30.94 Bn
Texas$4,466$9.94 Bn$13.36 Bn
Florida$5,040$5.97 Bn$8.04 Bn
New York$6,846$7.40 Bn$9.95 Bn
New Jersey$5,625$3.92 Bn$5.27 Bn
Illinois$4,636$2.91 Bn$3.92 Bn
Georgia$4,386$2.25 Bn$3.04 Bn
North Carolina$4,781$2.33 Bn$3.14 Bn
Arizona$5,230$2.37 Bn$3.19 Bn
Virginia$5,038$2.11 Bn$2.84 Bn
Maryland$6,123$2.14 Bn$2.88 Bn
Washington$5,630$1.95 Bn$2.62 Bn
Nevada$5,028$1.47 Bn$1.99 Bn
Massachusetts$7,396$2.16 Bn$2.91 Bn
Colorado$5,191$1.44 Bn$1.94 Bn
Pennsylvania$4,845$1.22 Bn$1.64 Bn
Michigan$4,525$837.06 Mn$1.12 Bn
Oregon$6,030$1.09 Bn$1.47 Bn
Connecticut$5,694$950.90 Mn$1.28 Bn
Tennessee$4,456$721.80 Mn$971.31 Mn
Indiana$4,451$685.39 Mn$921.28 Mn
Minnesota$4,692$656.93 Mn$877.48 Mn
Utah$5,033$689.50 Mn$931.08 Mn
Oklahoma$4,278$581.80 Mn$782.86 Mn
Ohio$4,411$582.27 Mn$785.18 Mn
New Mexico$4,628$550.76 Mn$740.52 Mn
South Carolina$4,752$555.94 Mn$746.00 Mn
Wisconsin$4,633$514.28 Mn$694.98 Mn
Kansas$4,308$447.98 Mn$603.05 Mn
Arkansas$4,475$434.10 Mn$586.26 Mn
Louisiana$4,613$447.50 Mn$604.36 Mn
Alabama$4,298$391.09 Mn$524.31 Mn
Missouri$4,446$342.32 Mn$462.35 Mn
Kentucky$4,579$315.94 Mn$430.42 Mn
Hawaii$9,178$578.18 Mn$770.91 Mn
Idaho$4,880$302.55 Mn$405.03 Mn
Nebraska$4,495$251.72 Mn$337.13 Mn
Iowa$4,352$239.36 Mn$322.04 Mn
Rhode Island$5,487$230.45 Mn$312.75 Mn
District of Columbia$7,569$287.62 Mn$386.02 Mn
Delaware$5,201$182.02 Mn$244.43 Mn
Mississippi$4,169$141.76 Mn$187.62 Mn
Alaska$6,192$92.89 Mn$130.04 Mn
New Hampshire$5,659$79.23 Mn$107.53 Mn
Maine$5,650$67.80 Mn$90.39 Mn
Vermont$5,743$57.43 Mn$74.66 Mn
South Dakota$4,742$42.68 Mn$56.90 Mn
Montana$5,196$36.16 Mn$45.20 Mn
Wyoming$4,520$41.57 Mn$51.96 Mn
North Dakota$4,806$28.84 Mn$43.25 Mn
West Virginia$4,431$26.59 Mn$39.88 Mn
 

Geneva Olson

Expert Storyteller
The posts seem very ai / botish, but I ran them through a tester and it came up as not ai....that being said they're getting good at avoiding detection now.

Doesn't mean it's not a bot, and it's very odd a user account of 4 years who never liked or posted a comment became active on Aug 30th and already posted dozens of posts and liked a dozen comments .. And only in the tariff threads.

It'd be interesting if the admin can check his login history, see if hes been quiet and active for years or just all if a sudden appeared from nowhere, which would suggest he's a bot.
Its very strange the way "he" posts. Yea, this thread has been a pretty heated topic. I think you and Boudica are probably right. Like perhaps the "bots" or even other countries are searching for these types of conversations. I tend to forget that this is an "open" forum and everyone can see these threads.
 
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user23434

Premium Subscriber
OK. How many "Good guys with guns" have stopped "bad guys with guns" in the USA?
If everyone can defend themselves, why are so many killed?
Why is gunshot wounds the #1 cause of death for children in America?
When ours is just injuries from our kids being kids,
Men AND women successfully defend themselves with guns in America all the time. How else would a woman defend herself against a large man?

These cities have the bulk of the firearm deaths among children in the U.S. --- These cities also happen to be lead by very left leaning democrats. These children and teens are mainly blacks.

"In 2022, in the 1 to 17 age group, Black children and teens had a gun death rate 18 times higher than that of white children in the same age group. The gun homicide rate among Black children and teens rose 5.6 percent from 2021 to 2022. The rate of gun suicide among Black older teens and emerging adults, ages 15 to 19, rose sharply—24 percent year-over-year—surpassing the gun suicide rate among white teens in that age range for the first time."

New OrleansLouisianaHighest child firearm death rate in the U.S.
St. LouisMissouriHigh rates of gun violence affecting youth
DetroitMichiganSignificant gun-related deaths among children
BaltimoreMarylandElevated rates of firearm deaths among youth
ChicagoIllinoisNotable for high gun violence, especially among Black youth

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user23434

Premium Subscriber
I'm not convinced Luser23434 is a real member/person/human. I think it's a bot account that hacked a dormant account. We've seen it on this forum countless times.

At this point it's like arguing with a machine. But in this case you're training the bot how to argue.
That is hilarious. So the new lefty argument is that since they are losing the argument it is a bot... wow...
 
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user23434

Premium Subscriber
The posts seem very ai / botish, but I ran them through a tester and it came up as not ai....that being said they're getting good at avoiding detection now.

Doesn't mean it's not a bot, and it's very odd a user account of 4 years who never liked or posted a comment became active on Aug 30th and already posted dozens of posts and liked a dozen comments .. And only in the tariff threads.

It'd be interesting if the admin can check his login history, see if hes been quiet and active for years or just all if a sudden appeared from nowhere, which would suggest he's a bot.
The tariff comment perked my interest, so I thought I would chime in since I think that tariffs can be the way to remove income tax which is basically slavery.
 

user23434

Premium Subscriber
Its very strange the way "he" posts. Yea, this thread has been a pretty heated topic. I think you and Boudica are probably right. Like perhaps the "bots" or even other countries are searching for these types of conversations. I tend to forget that this is an "open" forum and everyone can see these threads.
What is strange about "the way" I post? Is it because it is formatted so well? I'm in the sign business which is the communication business so I make sure my communication is very clear. The more clear it is the better communication works, as you should know being in the sign business as well...

It is very telling with where discourse is going these days. If you don't have a good argument against what someone is saying just call them a bot and be done with it.
 
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