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What To Do If A Competing Business Undercuts You In Price

Jon Aston

New Member
Thanks for the thanks and kind words. :)

@300mphGraphics: Good eye - thanks for pointing it out.

@OneUpTenn: Amen!

@Earplug and @WrapsWrapsWraps - Thanks for the tip!

@GB2: Thanks! I'm actually in the midst of taking some of my own medicine, so to speak... stay tuned.

@GP: Tell us more...Why not start a new thread?

@BigFishDM: With no disrespect, you sound like you've given up. Have you?

@Slamdunkpro: Ahem. I happen to like consultants.
 

iSign

New Member
@BigFishDM: With no disrespect, you sound like you've given up. Have you?


nahh... I think he just decided to be the LittleFish now...

the people willing to spend MORE money were never the majority anyway... and they still aren't... but providing MORE value works EVEN BETTER in a tough economy... if people don't have ANY money to spend, there isn't much business to be done, but if they do, the smart ones are looking for value!
 

cdiesel

New Member
Jon,
I value your input dearly, and agree with you whole-heartedly.. most of the time. Three years ago, I could justify a 10-20% higher cost for my products based on quality materials, excellent craftsmanship and outstanding service. Since then, I've seen a definite shift in, as Doug says, the majority of our customers. The same clients who used to demand the higher level of service and were okay with slightly higher prices have now *literally* told me that service doesn't matter as much anymore, price does.

Fortunately for us, we have been able to compete on price and keep our service up to our standards. Through this we're getting great referrals, and are able to slowly start increasing our prices and picking and choosing our jobs again. 2010 is off to the best start we've ever had, and there are no signs of slowing yet.

The past couple of years have been trying for most of us out there. We have seen some consolidation in our local market, which has honestly benefited us. We have been able to buy some equipment at great prices and have picked up some of their old customers.

My advice is this: Keep your standards up. Keep your customers happy. Keep your pencils sharp. Cash is king.
 

Jon Aston

New Member
Chris, you old diggity dog!

I value your perspective, too, and am glad to read that things are going so well for you!

With no disrespect, the fact that "quality materials, excellent craftsmanship and outstanding service" is a message that hasn't been enough to justify a 10-20% premium doesn't surprise me. They're all pretty-much intangible to your customers. It's difficult for them to equate the value of any of those things with cold hard dollars. And in tough economic times (as you rightly suggest) they have even less value to most people.

Customers want better value. And in the age of Wal*Mart, they've come to associate lower prices with better value. But lowering prices isn't your only option. It's easier, but has a cost...especially if you maintain quality of product and service. I know you know it, but it bears stating: You can easily wind up doing twice the amount of work, to earn the same amount of profit. It can also be extremely difficult to recover margins you've given away.

If you want to maintain profits (and quality of product and service) then you have to figure out how to demonstrate the unique value you bring to the customer's table. Easier said than done, I know. But not impossible.

You've heard it before: Focus your marketing communications on the results you help your customers achieve. It's not really that hard to do. Have them state their business objectives when you take on the project, ask them how they will measure success, follow-up (systematically) to ensure what you provided is doing the job. Get quantified facts...numbers, percentages, dollars. If they're not getting the results they wanted... then haven't you got another terrific sales opportunity on your hands? If they are, then you've got a great little testimonial or case study to share with your other customers and prospects.

An alternate, or complimentary approach is to demonstrate the risk of not choosing the right provider, or of confusing lower prices with better value...

You must see failed applications all the time, right? Customers who buy elsewhere, then come back to you to get it done right. Isn't that an expensive lesson that other customers can learn from?

Buy yourself a Flip video camera (Cheap, compact/portable, great quality) Start yourself a blog and start recording and posting narrated videos..."This poor fella tells me he paid a couple of grand for this wrap. See how the graphics are coming unglued here? Poor choice of materials, inexperienced installers. This wrap is failing, and will cost him another $3500 to get it done right, by a professional. In other words, the $1500 he saved on his initial purchase just cost him $2000." You can do the same thing with failures you see in the field. When you see failures, shoot some video and give a little narration that provides your analysis.

Or you can just charge less and work harder for your money, if you think that's actually easier. ;)
 
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BigfishDM

Merchant Member
nahh... I think he just decided to be the LittleFish now...

the people willing to spend MORE money were never the majority anyway... and they still aren't... but providing MORE value works EVEN BETTER in a tough economy... if people don't have ANY money to spend, there isn't much business to be done, but if they do, the smart ones are looking for value!


Lol no I have not given up, quite the opposite. Im the guy undercutting everyones price because Im now an independent rep so Im goin 100 mph getting my pricing out there. I feel like Im one of the top reps in this industry for what I do but apparently no one really cares about that all they want to know is if I can beat their price on supplies so Im the new slut in town trying to gain your guys business. It sucks having to say that but most sign shops think they cannot learn much from a paper sales rep but I deal with companies like yours everyday and I have so much valuable information that can really help make your company more successful.

Im giving out free leads to my accounts to show that I want to help you grow your business but even in here it seems like no one cares so I am just going to advertise the best price I can get on materials and see what happens.
 

Bigdawg

Just Me
I've waited a bit to jump in here...

first of all I have to say this. If you haven't taken Jon up on his free consultation YOU ARE A DAMN FOOL. And I mean that. That 90 minutes on the phone with him gave me some of the best personalized business advice and things to think about that I have ever gotten... and that was probably 3 or 4 years ago. I still firmly stand by the preceeding statement... he is as awesome as we all say he is...

now back to the topic :smile:

We are bucking the trend and staying busier than most - if not all - the shops in my area. And a good busy... not a "happy birthday banner" busy, but a "channel letters and monument signs" busy.... during a time that is historically slow.

We didn't do this by cutting our prices - although we will sharpen our pencil for a good customer. We did it by reliably, time after time, providing quality service, designs and products to our customers. I have the privilege of working in a shop that started from scratch... no sign customer history... no nothing. So I have seen the trend from the beginning (twiddling my thumbs and hoping that Ed was networking away) to our current market position. We have now - 4 days into February - done 2/3rd of the sales that we did a year ago. Think about that for a minute. In less than a week - we have almost done the business we did a year ago for the month.

It wasn't an accident. It was because my boss continually stuck to his business model - quality products, personalized service and attention to the little things that make a difference. I have seen customers that we couldn't get business from a couple years ago because our price was higher... become dedicated to us now. And it's not because we lowered our pricing. It's because they saw what cheap work looks like compared to what we offered them and it was the difference between McDonalds and The Palace (a high-end burger joint I used to go to). Sure - I can pay a buck for that hamburger - but I expect it to taste like it cost a buck... or I can go to the Palace and buy an eight-dollar burger that is a pure joy and pleasure to eat... and I can still feel that way a couple hours after dining (unlike McDonalds).

That's how we built our business. We had to! But you will never get a customer that doesn't understand the value of a better product to accept your "Palace" pricing if you are serving them McDonalds...

Just my thoughts.
 
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Jon Aston

New Member
Wow - Thanks Stacy! I am sincerely flattered.

@BigFishDM - Sounds like a tough way to earn a living. Especially for a guy (?) who has so much to offer. But you're obviously resolved to it. I wish you luck.
 

BigfishDM

Merchant Member
Wow - Thanks Stacy! I am sincerely flattered.

@BigFishDM - Sounds like a tough way to earn a living. Especially for a guy (?) who has so much to offer. But you're obviously resolved to it. I wish you luck.


Lol yeah its gonna be tough for just a few months, luckily I have a pretty loyal client base thats been able to keep me solid but I really wanted to go out and do my own thing and not have to punch a clock everyday so its best for me and I think it will be great in the long run. I just now realized what you do and for sure I will give you a call if needed thats a no brainer after reading big dawgs post.
 

Jon Aston

New Member
...luckily I have a pretty loyal client base

Why?

My guess is that you are failing to leverage your greatest strengths.

And a word of caution: Customers loyal to low prices are easy pickings for the next "discount specialist" that comes along. And there will always be someone cheaper.
 

BigfishDM

Merchant Member
Why?

My guess is that you are failing to leverage your greatest strengths.

And a word of caution: Customers loyal to low prices are easy pickings for the next "discount specialist" that comes along. And there will always be someone cheaper.

You heard of AAA Flag and Banner? Or Warner Brothers Studios right. These guys use me everyday and its not because of my prices its because they know they can call me for anything at anytime and I will be there to answer all their application needs. AAA has over 50 sales reps who request the most oddball things at times and they need someone who can handle all of those request so I have a huge value added for alot of companies. Its extremely difficult conveying that to a new customer so I have to use a real aggressive price to show them what I can really do for their business. Im working on a new presentation that will convey my message better as I know its needed.
 

Jon Aston

New Member
Well now... That's more like it.

Sounds to me like a better strategy would be to use a "loss leader" (doesn't have to be sold at a loss... ), or an "introductory offer" to get a trial order... then wow them with everything you do, and can (and will) do for their business. Coming from a sign equipment and supplies background myself, I can also suggest that good margin management can be found in the right product mix.

Once again, good luck!
 

BigfishDM

Merchant Member
Yes thats really what I advertise is my loss leaders just to get in the door and I always make it up on other products for sure. I have a pretty big line of items and yes your so right about margin managment. Thanks again Jon
 
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