Worst employee you've had to let go?

[netsol]

We went with one of these - https://www.amazon.com/NGTeco-APP-Based-Fingerprint-Employees-Schedules/dp/B0FF8ZSSRL/ref=sr_1_10?crid=2WTK9URE5U9PG&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.S6RM8CWjvaVIARCfKhGjTuPnwbI_hVekTC_zTs3xgFLeo5_r8QlEcBDzR3VItKzzw8IOhVrj7KMzGM8RJkP_4ukopnzgF7pDocH7IoH5kjQb2VRh-uT_BOG-SmcSE-B5RzdB-DlusB8sNC01VfUHAebeqoPMQWe07QGeaDfeIICJOo3ET_IJZa9gj4fqN-gIJNdUG2NL0JCc3TiKRIG2o1E8faJvR9z9t0RquEWj6PRyVNqXVro3oqEnR2ncEW8ZrHKre28nA_i-e4LRS7bBy8QULKjHg3Q5HWYAMkooDR0.tNaBXmNwRR3GMHP8p1F6ZTE0zuxCJUWW2Uc8JwJ_FxM&dib_tag=se&keywords=Biometric+time+clock&qid=1765242233&sprefix=biometric+time+cloc,aps,168&sr=8-10 Was $250 CAD... which is nothing. I think our original time clock is like $1200. I know it's cheap chinese junk that may break in a year, but reviews are good...and it being cloudbased is for once a positive, if it breaks you can transfer all data to a new one with the click of a button, so if its garbage and gets replaced every year, not that big of a deal.

App based, fingerprint based... it has face scanning, etc. It'll be pretty much impossible to clock someone in - I think we're only enabling face, and fingerprint for now - If employees cry about privacy, we may enable app based for those who don't want to do fingerprint/face... It geofences it to the building, work wifi, and their phone...so should be protective enough.


I wish we didn't use a clock at all, my last shop we just assumed 8 hours - but we had an employee base that was responsible, and if they were late theyd come up to management and let us know. Now we have employees who start/stop all over the map, so itd be a logistical nightmare to do payroll without one.

With any of this type of thing (Chinese junk pretending to be high priced tech) by one of those replacement coverage plans from allstate. It’s catastrophic coverage which is all you need

 

[GAC05]

Get a drone with offensive capability, fly it from your desk to hover over the time clock from 7:30 to 8:30. Fun for you and the boss, especially if someone breaks the rules.

 

[Kalispel]

Careful not to turn you workplace into a police state just because you feel cheated. The rest of your employees did nothing wrong.

I demand honesty above all. I would fire both employees. One conversation is very easy. The other may be a little more difficult but the necessary.

 

[signexpertai]

We recently had the same issue with people clocking in for others..... Our new payroll now requires our employees to clock in from their cell phones via app that shows on google maps the time and the geo fencing where they are at the time of clocking in. This has made a huge difference in attendance & hours put in. If there is ever a question about their time, I can look it up on my PC to clarify.

we tried this at my old company, where I managed some IT tasks as well. It turns out you can fake your GPS location very easily on Android phones I am not sure about iPhones and you can clock in from anywhere

 

[iGeauxWrapStuff]

Its 2019 and I hire an acquaintance from a competitor. Wrong. 2/3 of the way through the day; 1 graphic was a bit crooked on a vehicle inspection and I nonchalantly say something to the effect of 'ok this one is just a bit off, lets take that one off and get it replaced'. I proceed to give the installation a quality check and then I go back to my office or whatever it was I was doing. So, its a short time afterward, 5-10 minutes, and I have to go back out for some reason.....The guy had already just walked off the job. lol. I mean it was off like 3/16, noticeable, but wasn't a big deal to me really. Come to find out he had a dishonorable from the Navy. Go figure.

I place all contour cut vinyl in a weed box and cut mask to that shape for fast and EASY install for any installer. lol Im sure mine sounds pretty vanilla.

 

[rydods]

Man I'm so glad I only have 2 full time employees. Even they can be a bit of a handful sometimes. We have direct deposit for their paychecks and every now and again, there is a delay getting into their accounts. You'd think I did it on purpose or am holding it back from them. Nope 2 is enough.

I do believe if you fix your process, you'll fix most situations. I think there are going to be a few bad seeds once in a while but I also think EVERYONE is capable of taking what's not theirs or more than their fair share if they have the opportunity.

 

[FireSprint.com]

Nearly every one of my terminations have been for attendance and punctuality. Generally, we tend to fire those that miss more than 10% of their shifts habitually. After several verbal, then written warnings, it becomes clear they don't want to work here enough to show up every day.

 

[Souldar]

Nearly every one of my terminations have been for attendance and punctuality. Generally, we tend to fire those that miss more than 10% of their shifts habitually. After several verbal, then written warnings, it becomes clear they don't want to work here enough to show up every day.

What do you do if you hire an employee with a chronically ill spouse who needs to take frequent unscheduled time off due to care for them? Just curious.

 

[Stacey K]

Nearly every one of my terminations have been for attendance and punctuality. Generally, we tend to fire those that miss more than 10% of their shifts habitually. After several verbal, then written warnings, it becomes clear they don't want to work here enough to show up every day.

It seems like employers are more lenient these days then before Covid. Before I went on my own the two previous jobs (before Covid) they were like drill sergents. Office girls started at 8. I asked if I could start at 7 or 7:30 because of my kids and school. They nearly dropped over dead that I dare ask and said no. Then a few middle aged women quit and were replaced with young women. They just simply told them they were starting at 9. It was hard to hire at that time so they just went with it. NOW...after Covid, they all work from home and set their own hours and nobody starts before 9 or 10am, they all have tons of vacation, call in for mental health days...

And to think, I just wanted to adjust my schedule 30-60 minutes around my family and only called in sick if I was puking and on deaths door LOL How times have changed!

 

[Texas_Signmaker]

when unemployment starts going up... those perks will go away.

 

[VizualVoice]

In addition to what gregjordansr said, I'd suggest very soon afterward factually informing the rest of the employees that the two were terminated for the timecard fraud (because that's what it is, fraudd). That will quickly cut down the rumor mill and probably head off any hard feelings from others who still consider them friends. Just my 2 cents worth.

And in answer to your question about worst employee, I would need to think pretty hard on that. I don't have any in this business (thank God because they're awful!) but when I work with my disaster response team, I'm technically the HR component as one of my duties. I've never actually fired anyone, but I've gladly helped around 350 or so of them with the process after THEY got THEMSELVES fired. It may help ease your conscience if you look at it that way. YOU are not doing anything to them right before Christmas. They did it to themselves through their poor choices.

 

[Souldar]

So, I don't have the authority to fire at my present position but they did recently let someone go, which apparently you have to work really hard for this to happen. So here's a story...
When this person was hired, during probationary period, I caught them spending them spending hours on Reddit. Reported to my supervisor, who started documenting infractions himself but said it was a hard process to make anything. Next they blew about $1,000 in material by not checking the finish for the non printed side. Should have been matt, was glossy. Then they started throwing tantrums and going to HR complaining about other people who they thought had slighted them in any way. The icing on the cake was when they broke into company records and got caught looking into my attendance files because they didn't know I had a sick wife who needed tending to and wanted to get me busted for attendance violations. I was convinced to not go to HR by my superiors (big mistake on my part). They eventually, finally got let go for getting caught by a supervisor driving a state vehicle under the influence after two years of BS.

 

[FASTSIGNS]

Not the worst employee, but a funny story. On our online application, there are industry questions: What steps would you do to install window vinyl (things like that). One candidate answered correctly! During the interview, when questioned how would he know how to do stuff without any sign experience, he said his mom wrote the answers through chatgpt. Can you believe we hired him! Wanting to give someone a chance. He didn't last but a few weeks. Still makes me laugh.

 

[ikarasu]

Not the worst employee, but a funny story. On our online application, there are industry questions: What steps would you do to install window vinyl (things like that). One candidate answered correctly! During the interview, when questioned how would he know how to do stuff without any sign experience, he said his mom wrote the answers through chatgpt. Can you believe we hired him! Wanting to give someone a chance. He didn't last but a few weeks. Still makes me laugh.

The last place I worked we had an employee who'd call in sick every other week. Well he wouldn't call in... His mom would call him in sick. He was in his 20s.

It was always on a Friday or Monday ... We eventually had to tell her that while we appreciate her looking after her son, he's an adult now and if he was sick or absent he had to call in himself in order to do it as per policy.


2 weeks later she called him in sick with strep throat and unable to talk


2 months later he was let go for having a slingshot fight with ball bearings with another employee ... They were both driving. Around on forklifts shooting at eachother, one got a broken finger because they got hit right in the finger... Both got fired.

 

[VizualVoice]

having a slingshot fight with ball bearings with another employee ... They were both driving. Around on forklifts shooting at eachother, one got a broken finger because they got hit right in the finger... Both got fired.

NGL, this kinda sounds like a blast

 

[John Miller]

I had an employee who asked if he could leave early on Wednesdays because his Dad had a drinking problem and the family had set up support group meetings on Wednesdays. After several weeks of this, he came to me in tears and told me he was having an affair with his wife's underage daughter from a previous marriage and was turning himself in to the police the following day. I guess the affair went sour and she told her dad. OOPS. He went to jail and tried to collect unemployment. I wrote in red magic marker on the state unemployment form. Terminated due to incarceration. I never heard back from the state. His wife asked me if I would help her get his stuff out of a little space he was renting as a shop. She said she had no idea what was there or where she would store it but she had to move the stuff out. She and I took a truck to his shop, when I walked in I told her not to worry about a storage place because a large portion of the stuff was lifted from my shop.

 

[Boudica]

NGL, this kinda sounds like a blast

I was thinking the same thing. Probably shouldn't have done it on the clock though

 

[simon haysom]

Here in New Zealand the power is 100% in the employee's favor. Very hard to firer an employee for anything. About the only thing you can fire them for is assaulting staff/customers or major thief (not talking paper clips or time).
This actually hurts the people at the bottom as business are very reluctant to take a risk on giving someone a go. Crazy left legislation.

 

[VizualVoice]

I was thinking the same thing. Probably shouldn't have done it on the clock though

party pooper

 

[Texas_Signmaker]

I was thinking the same thing. Probably shouldn't have done it on the clock though

The underage girl?