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Scott Reynolds

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You know that you can lawfully put a five round magazine in an AR-15 and hunt deer in most states right? .

My dad, brother, best friend and I all hunt with AR's. None of them are chambered in 223 though. Mine is a .264 (6.5 grendle), my dads is 6.8mm and the other two are chambered in 7.62. Dont even get me started on hunting coyotes with suppressors... :rock-n-roll:
 

Wiggum PI

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With the amount of guns already owned/freely available, there's no way a gun buyback/restriction would work there. I always did like westerns though..
 

CES020

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I suspect that if you lived in some of the border towns that are being terrorized by drug cartels, where they are kidnapping children and doing horrific things to US citizens (which never makes it on the national media), you might view things different on some of this. If a drug cartel is running the streets with machine guns, and the police aren't able to stop them (obviously because they are still doing it), are you telling me that I SHOULDN'T have the right to defend my own family with all means necessary?

They show up with machine guns, and I'm stuck with 5-6 rounds? Wonder who will win that battle?

So the law should be the same for them because in your cozy little part of the world, you don't have that problem? Do some research on what's actually happening on the border and then report back and say you'd like to ban guns.
 

David Wright

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This is a clip....

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This is a Magazine....
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You guys REALLY want some food for thought? Check out this list and tell me what you notice. THIS is at least one of the problems.....

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Colombine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)
Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.
Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.

Missing from list…3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….
What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az

What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado

What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or

What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
Roberts is the only one that I haven’t heard about being on drugs of some kind


Thanks for steering this topic to the real problem, or at least a major one.
 

OldPaint

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.223 is to small to hunt deer??? give me a break mr gun know it all. i lived in MAINE, and hunted deer with my mosberg .22 magnum lever action with a tube load that was able to hold 10 or 12 rounds. AND THAT IS A RIM FIRE CARTRIDGE!!!!! .223 is a center fire. where i lived in pa. most hunted with 30-30, 35, 30.06, 308, 303, 300 weatherby magnums. reason for using an arch trajectory rifle instead of a flat trajectory like a .264, is the the arch trajectory gun will stay on track if it it hits a small branch rather then deflect like a .264 will. i wont even address the clip/magazine b.s. THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME THING.
 

mark galoob

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HEY paiNT. ARE you yelling at us when u USE caps like that. IT SEEMS RUDE TO ME.

. I'm really curious. How do you switch a gun built for semi auto to full auto. I think you will find ITS quite impossible WITHout major modifications.

Ps. Apparently u have never been wild boar hunting. Just for your information. They are so bad on my friends ranch one of us carries an ar and one a shotgun when we hunt them...And yes I need a 30 round mag for that have u ever seen how fast one of them moves. And o by the way last one that charged us was 400 pounds, I got 3 shots off and that didn't drop it. Luckily my bro jammed a 12 gauge into its face or we would have been in deep dark doo doo. Even when we go deer hunting one has a bolt gun and one carries an ar or a shotgun. So PLEASE Don't TELL me how TO hunt.

Oh by the way I can shoot a golfball at 500 yards. with a bolt 308 and yet still one of us has an ar when we are on THE ranch. So my shooting qual has no bearing on my owning an at





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Bigcat_hunter

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.223 is to small to hunt deer??? give me a break mr gun know it all. i lived in MAINE, and hunted deer with my mosberg .22 magnum lever action with a tube load that was able to hold 10 or 12 rounds. AND THAT IS A RIM FIRE CARTRIDGE!!!!! .223 is a center fire. where i lived in pa. most hunted with 30-30, 35, 30.06, 308, 303, 300 weatherby magnums. reason for using an arch trajectory rifle instead of a flat trajectory like a .264, is the the arch trajectory gun will stay on track if it it hits a small branch rather then deflect like a .264 will. i wont even address the clip/magazine b.s. THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME THING.

I didn't say 223 was too small for deer, I said some states consider it too small.
 

Marlene

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Thanks for steering this topic to the real problem, or at least a major one.

pretty scary stats for sure and one of the major problems. now add easy access to guns with high cap clips to the mix and ta da, I think we see why the two don't mix. when will we stop putting the tools needed to do the job in the hands of these people? in the Conn shooting, I 100% blame Nancy Lanza. her own needs/wants/shoulds is behind what happened. had that little puke of a son not had easy access to just what he needed to do the job and been trained how to use the tools, what would have happened? bare handed, most could have dropped that little jerk but armed the way he was, no one had a chance.
 

OldPaint

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mark, you again prove my point about people need to PRAY & SPRAY lead.......IF your such a good shot(as you say)then YOU SHOULD HIT WHAT YOU AIM AT)))))))) and yes iam yelling, if your offended, tought titty baby boy))))) you need more practice)))))
when i was playin with guns(in my teens)friend hada .264 mag set in epoxy, sport style stock, 24X redfield scope..........him and i both could group all our shots in a 6 inch circle at 650 YARDS!!!!!! in all of my deer and other hunting, i NEVER OWNED A SCOPE!!! always used iron sights. in my early teens i had .22 magnum short throw lever action. was know for miles as the kid who could drop a ground hog at 200 YARDS.... without a scope AND 1 SHOT!!!! air force rifle training, with an M-1, possible 300 score..........i shot a 298!!!!! so yes i can tell you about hunting. seems what you guys call hunting is SLAUGHTER.... if you need 30-90 rounds magazine. as for modifying a semi auto to full auto, if you knew as much as you think you do........ you wouldnt ask how to do this.
 

mark galoob

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Lol reread my last post I never said I missed. It's very rude to yell in my thread and that's why Fred shuts these down. So respectfully stop U can make ur point like an adult without bullying and denigrating anyone...Or u can go away and not post here

Mark galoob
 

mnapuran

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hrmm... I've seen Glock handguns with 33 round magazines and even Glock's with 50 round drums. Also seen Shotgun's with 14+ rounds. Heck the new Keltec KSG is 15 round capable from the factory, small and light.

The Springfield XDM 9mm is 20rds from the factory. Darn nice gun too.
 

Techman

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clip/magazine b.s. THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME THING

NOpe not at all.
One is a clip for hair it clips hair. It holds hair..

Another is a clip for bullets. It clips bullets together. Such as a 3006 clip. It holds an amount of bullets together., The clip and bullets are together pushed into the rifle MAGAZINE. Then the bullets are held in place while the clip is removed. The clip comes out. The magazine holds those bullets and feeds them while the gun operates.

And a magazine is a container that operates as a bullet feeder. It feeds bullets. IT has a spring action to push bullets up the feed ramp.
 

WildWestDesigns

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you been read to many magazines........like PLAYBOY & HUSTLER))))
HERE: BOTH WORDS SAME DESCRIPTION))))
http://www.remington.com/product-families/accessories/gun-parts-families/magazine-clips.aspx

Be careful when doing that. I have known people to use terms interchangeably when they shouldn't be. Even people within the industry that should know better, but don't. I'm not saying that's the case now, but just be careful when you do something like that.

After so long of that being done, it actually starts takes on that definition, even though it was originally the wrong definition and technically speaking, still is wrong, just too many people do things the wrong way, it's hard to change it. Unfortunate, but true.

I'm sure even within our own industries we can come up with some examples (I know I've got a couple, one within my industry and one just that the general population uses).
 

SignProPlus-Chip

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A "clip" was the designation for the device used to hold several rounds together to load into a firearm that did not have a removable magazine. Example, the German C96 (Broomhandle) Mauser.

A magazine is what the clip loads into. or what rounds are loaded into directly for arms that have a removable magazine.

While I am here explaining terms, lets clear up the term "assault rifle".

An assault rifle is any firearm that has one particular feature, a select fire switch. typically this switches the firearm from single shot to full automatic (like a machine gun) and sometime there is also a setting for three round bursts.

An AR15 is not an assault rifle, it is not capable of continuous automatic fire or spraying of bullets indiscriminately as many people would have you believe.
 

bob

It's better to have two hands than one glove.
you been read to many magazines........like PLAYBOY & HUSTLER))))
HERE: BOTH WORDS SAME DESCRIPTION))))
http://www.remington.com/product-families/accessories/gun-parts-families/magazine-clips.aspx

Knowing the nomenclature is at least half of all wisdom. Attend...

A magazine is a device that holds ammunition and feeds one round at a time to a gun's chambering and firing mechanism. Some firearms have detachable magazines, as in, say, a Glock 17. Some firearms have built-in fixed magazines as in, say, a Remington Model 700.

A clip is a device that holds ammunition and is used to insert rounds into magazines especially in those firearms that have built-in fixed magazines. Revolver speed loaders also can be called clips.

A 'magazine clip' is a detachable magazine inserted into a built-in fixed magazine.
 

SignProPlus-Chip

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Knowing the nomenclature is at least half of all wisdom. Attend...

So true. To many armchair anti-gun (note: different than gun control advocates) experts out their that don't even know terms, how things work, and the basic differences between firearms. They just think guns are "scary and evil" and believe whatever misinformation is spoon fed to them from other sources.

I take the stance that educating yourself on a subject prior to entering a debate about is a being a critical part of any intellectual and productive dialogue.
 

Signed Out

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Thanks for steering this topic to the real problem, or at least a major one.

This hits the nail on the head. Strange how it is so easily overlooked... Or is it purposely left out of the debate by the ones who actually dictate the direction of the debate... For the most part everything said in this thread is regurgitation from what has been seen/read/heard from opposing but partisan outlets. I would bet that the pharmaceutical industry lines more pockets on both sides of the fence then anti/pro gun advocates. As for guns being the missing piece in the "monster" recipe, pretty sure guns have been around and in large use for much longer than these drugs. Seems like these drugs have been misused as a tool for parenting starting about the same time as "discipline" was outlawed, the church and its morals were thrown out of society, and media/entertainment dicarded decency. I would say the problem on hand has much more to do with how our society has taken personal responsibility away from its citizens and replaced it with politcal correctness, instant gratification, and victimization.

Side note, I think this whole debate has been escelated by the previously mentioned dictators of debate, to serve as a distraction from major problems that our country is actually facing today... fiscal cliff...
 

mark galoob

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lol...i also find it very interesting that the media spoon feeds this idea that just because someone has thousands of rounds of ammo, thay they are somehow more dangerous than someone with a few hundred rounds of ammo. thus promoting the idea that you can actully use thousands of rounds of ammo in one sitting is totally unrealistic. obviously, they have never tried to carry thousands of rounds of ammo, and have never even tried to load thousands of rounds of ammo into magazines.

jeez, even special force guys will tell you that the max they carry into battle is 500-600 rounds loaded onto mags, and they usually carry 150+ pounds of gear at a time. and that is spf guys, that are conditioned and trained for that.

mark galoob
 
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