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Tariff impact, can't get clearer than this

CanuckSigns

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And that works for commodity items like signs.

So as a sign shop you have 2 choices - raise your prices and not take a loss... Or keep your pricing the s and and eat 15-20% loss on certain items - some ships can't afford to do that. So employees get let go, or wages stagnate, and people can't afford food / other necessity items that have a big price increase.

Signs are not the only thing going up - look up how much food is imported, how much fruits are imported.... Or how much potash to make your domestic fruits / farmland is imported.


Even stuff that are made in America, are rarely 100% American.... Somewhere along the chain it's using foreign product that's had an increase in price, which is why everything goes up.

Most business owners understand they can't just take a 10%, or even 5% hit in Proffit... Some industries may be able to handle that, but a lot can't.
this 100%

Another thing that is often overlooked, even domestic manufacturers are raising their prices, they are seeing a huge increase in orders due to the tariffs, and as a result can not keep up, basic supply & demand dictates when demand outpaces supply, prices increase. This MAY be a temporary measure if someone else sees the opportunity to open another american widget factory, but these things don't happen overnight, and if the market is used to paying 20% more for widgets, where is the incentive to sell them for less? There was a member on here who used to chime in on threads where someone was asking how much they should charge for a sign, his answer was always "as much as you can while keeping a straight face, then add install" same applies here, if the market is used to paying $8 for a cup of coffee, why would you go in and sell yours for $7?
 
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WildWestDesigns

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The problem is when you raise your prices to cover the tariffs and the customer decides they can no longer afford the job ( which will always happen at some point when price rise ). Maybe they have had to increase the prices for their business and arent selling as much, At that point then tariffs absolutely effect your business

If one sources from those that are affected by the tariffs, yes that would affect you. Now as I and others have mentioned, some use the tariffs as a means of increasing prices that aren't directly related to the tariffs, but they are using that as a scapegoat. Now, there are some that have seen an uptick in orders due to the tariffs and have increased price that way, so it's hard to tell at times which one that it is. That's just the business being dishonest though and unfortunately for the pro 100% free trade crowd with no restrictions at all, that will still happen. Easily manipulate supply and demand to make it happen. So while in theory free trade is mutually beneficial that goes under the supposition that everyone is going to hold hands and sing kumbaya. I don't think that's going to happen between countries that are only using trade as a matter of convenience, nothing more.

However, if the uptick in price was legitimately due to demand going up for sources that aren't getting hit by the tariffs, that also just shows how much the dependency was there. Now typically, when there is an increase in demand, the supply should ramp up as well. Unless they keep the supply artificially depressed to be able to maintain those price points or get higher prices (market failure).

Signs are not the only thing going up - look up how much food is imported, how much fruits are imported.... Or how much potash to make your domestic fruits / farmland is imported.

Have to be careful here, not all of the more common potash varieties are kind to all fruits/veggies. Potatoes, peppers, tomatoes, tobacco even have to be careful with the source of potassium one is using. Around here, we have a lot of hickory, oak and maple trees. Mix that in compost (at least for my size of spread) and that is a far better source if one is growing anything that has a concern about sources (which most of the crops that I do have have that issue, even though they are also high potassium consumers as well, or atleast some of them are).

One downside with the proliferation of grocery stores is that most people have lost the knowledge/desire for more self sufficiency. Although I am hearing more hens/roosters that aren't in my flock, so I know that has at least has gotten an uptick.

And people would be surprised about how long things take to get to the grocery store, even if they are local, which makes one wonder about what they are doing to keep them "fresh", we have come a long way since the "flavor Savr" tomatoes (I would argue not in a good way, but that's another topic).
 
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damonCA21

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It very much depends what that $550 billion is for and where it will go. Will it create more jobs or keep existing ones. Will Trump syphon most of it off for him and his rich mates so the normal man is no better off?
Also is that over 10 or 20 years, in which case it may not have that much effect
 

Texas_Signmaker

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It very much depends what that $550 billion is for and where it will go. Will it create more jobs or keep existing ones. Will Trump syphon most of it off for him and his rich mates so the normal man is no better off?
Also is that over 10 or 20 years, in which case it may not have that much effect
$550 billion is loans and investments from Japan... Like we need to borrow more money. All this shit is confusing and being spun 100 different ways.
 
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ikarasu

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$550 billion is loans and investments from Japan... Like we need to borrow more money. All this shit is confusing and being spun 100 different ways.
It's weird how they can call a loan an investment. It'd like me saying my CC companies are investing in me. It'll be interesting when the full terms come out, if they do.. but from the sounds of it, The US Picks a project they want funded... Japan will fund the project (Unless they dont want to, they can turn it down within 45 days), And then 50% of the proffits from said project goes to USA, 50% to Japan until a set amount is reached... probably at minimum their funding back, but likely much more than their funding. This sounds like a Modified version of treasury bonds.... I wonder if its purpose behind the scenes is to Borrow more money without raising the debt level more than it already is.

How is that different from me going to a bank with a proposal... The bank saying they think I'll make money, so they'll fund it.... and I have to pay the money back? Thats not really an investment at all... To me it sounds like USA just got a 550 billion line of credit from Japan.

Doesn't this do the opposite of what Trump wants... And put further ownership of industries in foreign hands? Unless they don't own it at all and are simply an investor, then they get kicked out once their investment is repaid.
 
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damonCA21

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It's weird how they can call a loan an investment. It'd like me saying my CC companies are investing in me. It'll be interesting when the full terms come out, if they do.. but from the sounds of it, The US Picks a project they want funded... Japan will fund the project (Unless they dont want to, they can turn it down within 45 days), And then 50% of the proffits from said project goes to USA, 50% to Japan until a set amount is reached... probably at minimum their funding back, but likely much more than their funding. This sounds like a Modified version of treasury bonds.... I wonder if its purpose behind the scenes is to Borrow more money without raising the debt level more than it already is.

How is that different from me going to a bank with a proposal... The bank saying they think I'll make money, so they'll fund it.... and I have to pay the money back? Thats not really an investment at all... To me it sounds like USA just got a 550 billion line of credit from Japan.

Doesn't this do the opposite of what Trump wants... And put further ownership of industries in foreign hands? Unless they don't own it at all and are simply an investor, then they get kicked out once their investment is repaid.
Trump doesn't really understand economics, hence having been bankrupt 4 times. Would you let this man look after your money. What he is good at is getting rich people to fund his schemes, which then often fail
 
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