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US Tariffs, Sigh!

Texas_Signmaker

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Well I for surely have benefited from the sign discussions. Tell you what, I'll start posting sign discussion stuff too, I have a lot of knowledge about that subject. And hey, if you ever need any design work I can help you with that, there is no project too big or small.
No thanks, we've all see the "designs" that AI has come up with.
 
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GAC05

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JamesLam

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So if tariffs do actually deter people from buying foreign imports, and domestic production can't fill the consumer's needs quick enough, will those with cash in their pocket just spend on something else? If that's the case where will their money flow, travel, more on dining, clothes, or other short-term feel-good purchases?

Possibly countries like the US and Canada are headed toward the European model where more and more rent instead of buying. Leading to a scaled down (more minimalist) lifestyle as they may not have the control over housing and other expenses as they would have if they could afford to buy and payoff a home.

Will there be a greater shift toward smaller, short-term and/or experiential purchases which may add to further declines in domestic manufacturing.
 

user23434

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So if tariffs do actually deter people from buying foreign imports, and domestic production can't fill the consumer's needs quick enough, will those with cash in their pocket just spend on something else? If that's the case where will their money flow, travel, more on dining, clothes, or other short-term feel-good purchases?

Possibly countries like the US and Canada are headed toward the European model where more and more rent instead of buying. Leading to a scaled down (more minimalist) lifestyle as they may not have the control over housing and other expenses as they would have if they could afford to buy and payoff a home.

Will there be a greater shift toward smaller, short-term and/or experiential purchases which may add to further declines in domestic manufacturing.
Now that is a really good question.

Yes, that would happen and it is the initial pain point with tariffs until domestic manufacturing has time to stabilize and scale. There are growing pains with any kind of change and tariffs are no different.

We could continue on the same path we've been on and see the same results (high inflation, dependency on imports, price swings, supply chain shortages, less control over prices). Or, we can do what has worked in the past (building up our own manufacturing base) and what should have been what we stuck with in the first place and is proven to work amazingly. Other advanced economies like Germany and Japan have strong domestic production. In the long run we will see greater stability, more good paying jobs, and the security from any global price swings or outages.
 

user23434

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I'm surprised anybody is celebrating free speech getting flushed down the drain.

I'm not a fan of him, but he didn't even say anything bad and they still used it to push him out.
The government didn't fire him. This was a business decision by his network based on ethics and economics. His show had low ratings and was losing money.

The real issue is celebrating someone's assassination and seeing nothing wrong with that behavior. It's a matter of basic morality and treating others the way you'd want to be treated.

There's an important distinction here: words are not the same as violence, but celebrating actual violence crosses a clear ethical line.
 
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Gino

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His death actually affected people in my town and county. Many of the local shows of radio hosts and guests who take their show on the road are now drawing back. If you have some d!ickwad in the audience who doesn't agree with you on whatever topic, they could get shot or any number of consequences. People all over are becoming afraid. I totally understand. Look at this place. I consider this a very very good sign site, but now that the NHB and many conversations/threads which go political have severed lotsa of people here helping each other, let along all the name calling and p!ssy attitudes have come about..... it's about time we start reuniting and leave our baggage off the keyboard.
 
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ikarasu

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The government didn't fire him. This was a business decision by his network based on ethics and economics. His show had low ratings and was losing money.

The real issue is celebrating someone's assassination and seeing nothing wrong with that behavior. It's a matter of basic morality and treating others the way you'd want to be treated.

There's an important distinction here: words are not the same as violence, but celebrating actual violence crosses a clear ethical line.
Can you show me where he celebrated it?

He posted on Instagram that his thoughts and prayers go out to his family.
.the comment that got him fired was him saying the right blamed the left immediately when the guy wasn't even a democrat.


Donyou think trump didn't pressure them to fire him? Like his latest tweet about the 2 who are next? Or Colbert? Trump's admin is threatening them with sanctions and fines.. trump didn't go over there and fire him himself, but he was the one behind it.
 
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user23434

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We need to bring back common decency. The reason why so many conservatives are speaking out against the nonsensical is because the most reasonable guy who invited conversation about important topics was shot because he was right. You will also notice that there is a huge difference between the two (one uses logic and the other uses emotions).

We need to restore basic civility in our discourse. Many conservatives are now speaking out against what they see as irrational ideas because a reasonable leader who encouraged open dialogue on critical issues was assassinated for his views. There's a fundamental difference in approach: one side relies on logical reasoning while the other appeals primarily to emotion.
 

user23434

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"Kimmel said in his Monday night monologue: "The Maga Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it." Which is a lie.

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Here is Kimmel celebrating Tucker Carlson getting fired from Fox.
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Obama's repeal of the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act is the cause of all this actually. Until they reinstate it as the Charlie Kirk Act we will continue to see this happening.

"Any time you watch a clip of Johnny Carson, you realize what a steaming pile of trash Jimmy Kimmel and late-night “comedy” have become."
 

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Geneva Olson

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late night talk shows are supposed to be fun and funny and meant for people to relax after a long hard day at work. They aren't meant to stir the political pot.
There's been this "us" vs "them" mentality since Trump entered the political spectrum.
It's frustrating to me that we aren't allowed to bring up anything negative about the "trans movement". Yet people want to scream that free speech is dead? I haven't been able to say what I have really thought about the trans movement without being censored (or completely kicked off of platforms). Because people think I'm a "transphobe". There's no phobia to thinking that trans people need mental health help. But as soon as people hear that, they go nuts thinking I'm somehow disrespecting a trans person.

Now, the left is up in arms because they're being stifled about divisive comments toward charlie kirks assassination....welcome to putting the shoe on the other foot.
 

user23434

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If we look at history we can clearly see society going further and further left making the center common sense people look like they are far right. Originally the gays "Just wanted to get married" now here in 2025 we are at "shut up or we will kill you".

"A study led by researchers at Vanderbilt found that 83% of lesbian, gay, bisexual and queer (LGBQ) individuals reported going through adverse childhood experiences such as sexual and emotional abuse, and worse mental health as adults when compared to their heterosexual peers."

I'm going to go off on a short limb here and say that the percentage is most likely more than that. To add gasoline to that fire we are having society say it is perfectly normal to think that when you are born a certain sex that you can be the exact opposite.

Sadly this isn't the only backward stuff that people with common sense/critical thinking/normality have to deal with these days.
 

ikarasu

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late night talk shows are supposed to be fun and funny and meant for people to relax after a long hard day at work. They aren't meant to stir the political pot.
There's been this "us" vs "them" mentality since Trump entered the political spectrum.
It's frustrating to me that we aren't allowed to bring up anything negative about the "trans movement". Yet people want to scream that free speech is dead? I haven't been able to say what I have really thought about the trans movement without being censored (or completely kicked off of platforms). Because people think I'm a "transphobe". There's no phobia to thinking that trans people need mental health help. But as soon as people hear that, they go nuts thinking I'm somehow disrespecting a trans person.

Now, the left is up in arms because they're being stifled about divisive comments toward charlie kirks assassination....welcome to putting the shoe on the other foot.
I publicly posted on this forum how i felt about trans athletes, if someone wants to "cancel" me... So be it. Now how would you feel if your boss (I know you don't have one, but if you did) read your comment and fired you because of what you just said? Or if a political appointment pushed for you to be fired because of it?

Cancel culture all around is bad, on the left side and on the right side... And everywhere in-between. But just because one side has prominently been doing it... Doesn't mean it's ok for the other to start as well.

If the right wants to inspire to be snowflakes and push for people to get fired because they don't like what someone said... It makes you no better than the thing you hate.

Not directing this part at you, it's more general - Kimmel only said that the moment Kirk was shot, mega was saying it was radical left's who did it... Then it came out that the guys family is republican, he was raised as Republican, etc. He didn't diss kirk... Didn't say Kirk deserved It.... He actually came out saying he's praying for Kirk's family, when a lot of people were raging over anyone who sympathized with Kirk. I could maybe see why he'd get fired if he said or acted anyway against Kirk, but he didn't..

Then hours after he's fired... Trump calls for 2 other hosts who are anti-relublican to also be fired, and says he may start pulling broadcasting licenses from stations that are "against me"

I don't get how anyone can spin that as not being censorship at it's worst. Even if you don't like the networks, imagine if a democrat threatened all Republican leaning news stations. Free speech is important, with no free speech youre just hearing 1 viewpoint... People are, or should be able to express their thoughts and opinions without fear of being retaliated against, whether it's trans issues, political issues, or anything inbetween.

Again.. if you just straight out said trans people are gross and they should go get lethal injections, thats a little different. And if someone said Charlie Kirk was pro gun, so they're glad he died by a gun and its "worth it", thats also different.


We live in a society that has 10,000 tv channels, if you don't like what someone is saying or doing, watch something else. The freedom to say and express how you feel is something America's always had right - and Republicans historically have always been very pro free speech, it's one thing I liked about them and hated about the left.... Canceling a matte rife for making a domestic abuse joke, or Dave chappel over a transgender joke, people need to lighten up and stop being such snowflakes.
 

ikarasu

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If we look at history we can clearly see society going further and further left making the center common sense people look like they are far right. Originally the gays "Just wanted to get married" now here in 2025 we are at "shut up or we will kill you".

"A study led by researchers at Vanderbilt found that 83% of lesbian, gay, bisexual and queer (LGBQ) individuals reported going through adverse childhood experiences such as sexual and emotional abuse, and worse mental health as adults when compared to their heterosexual peers."

I'm going to go off on a short limb here and say that the percentage is most likely more than that. To add gasoline to that fire we are having society say it is perfectly normal to think that when you are born a certain sex that you can be the exact opposite.

Sadly this isn't the only backward stuff that people with common sense/critical thinking/normality have to deal with these days.
I think it's cancel culture. People are too afraid to say what they think and feel because others will judge them at best, or try to get them fired or worst.

I feel like the left tried to over correct.... And we ended up where we are now. Who in their right mind really believes 12 year old kids are informed enough to make a decision to have gender reassignments? I can't even sign a form to get my kid a permanent tattoo.... But he can decide to go on hormone blockers and become a girl, which can cause long lasting / permanent damage? I'm betting you even n the left 80-90% of people don't agree with that.... But they're afraid of what will be said to or about them if they said it.

And now I feel like the right is trying to over correct too.... And I just hope before it gets to a point of no return like this cancel culture bullshit, there becomes a breaking point where people on both sides can agree what's going on isn't right, and put a stop to it.


I still firmly believe trump could be a good president that actually brings America forward and fixes a lot of issues it's been having... But people treat him like a king that does not wrong and he's not afraid to act like one. On paper what he's trying to do is great, but giving up freedoms in order to obtain that is just putting the needle in the other direction.
 

user23434

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I publicly posted on this forum how i felt about trans athletes, if someone wants to "cancel" me... So be it. Now how would you feel if your boss (I know you don't have one, but if you did) read your comment and fired you because of what you just said? Or if a political appointment pushed for you to be fired because of it?

Cancel culture all around is bad, on the left side and on the right side... And everywhere in-between. But just because one side has prominently been doing it... Doesn't mean it's ok for the other to start as well.

If the right wants to inspire to be snowflakes and push for people to get fired because they don't like what someone said... It makes you no better than the thing you hate.

Not directing this part at you, it's more general - Kimmel only said that the moment Kirk was shot, mega was saying it was radical left's who did it... Then it came out that the guys family is republican, he was raised as Republican, etc. He didn't diss kirk... Didn't say Kirk deserved It.... He actually came out saying he's praying for Kirk's family, when a lot of people were raging over anyone who sympathized with Kirk. I could maybe see why he'd get fired if he said or acted anyway against Kirk, but he didn't..

Then hours after he's fired... Trump calls for 2 other hosts who are anti-relublican to also be fired, and says he may start pulling broadcasting licenses from stations that are "against me"

I don't get how anyone can spin that as not being censorship at it's worst. Even if you don't like the networks, imagine if a democrat threatened all Republican leaning news stations. Free speech is important, with no free speech youre just hearing 1 viewpoint... People are, or should be able to express their thoughts and opinions without fear of being retaliated against, whether it's trans issues, political issues, or anything inbetween.

Again.. if you just straight out said trans people are gross and they should go get lethal injections, thats a little different. And if someone said Charlie Kirk was pro gun, so they're glad he died by a gun and its "worth it", thats also different.


We live in a society that has 10,000 tv channels, if you don't like what someone is saying or doing, watch something else. The freedom to say and express how you feel is something America's always had right - and Republicans historically have always been very pro free speech, it's one thing I liked about them and hated about the left.... Canceling a matte rife for making a domestic abuse joke, or Dave chappel over a transgender joke, people need to lighten up and stop being such snowflakes.
I have never seen the left cry so hard for anyone but the craziest people. This in itself is very telling.

Where was your speech when Tucker Carlson or Roseanne Barr got fired? Jimmy Kimmel has actually only been suspended. Tell your lefty side (don't pretend your aren't) not to cancel first and then maybe you will have a horse to ride. I'll wait...

Here is your list ikarasu:
Jimmy Kimmel FAFO
Saint George Floyd whos mural got struck by lightening
Rioter who got shot by Kyle Rittenhouse in self defense
Juicy Smolett and his whole "Maga Country" theater
Maryland Man who is now in Africa

Kimmel actually used to be funny:

The Kimmel slot should be offered to Adam Corolla

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