Notarealsignguy
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Arguing semantics is kind of silly. We all know what people are talking about
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GAC05
Quit buggin' me
I never figured you to be anti-semantic.
FrankW
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You cant avoid any murder. But it will be impossible to kill 20 school kids in a few minutes with a knife. Police will easier enter a school when thy know there is only a guy with a knife. It will be impossible to kill people on a parade or a concert out of a hotel room or from a roof. By the way, lot of countries in fact have banned knifes with character of a weapon too.
My numbers of deaths because of stabbings in china are much lower than people killed at shootings in the US, even if the number is 10 fold, while china have more than 4 times the people as in the US.
I agree with your idea of training and background checks. It will not save everyone, but it will help.
Johnny Best
Active Member
People also use cars to run over people. It’s a human problem and with modern communication It has these people living in fantasyland.
Then they put the person on trail and use the mental card to try to save him or her from execution.
just thought of something, young men do these mass shootings and maybe the Left think if they get all the boys to turn into women they get rid of this problem.
They use that same thought to get black women to get abortions to cut down on making ghettos.
Then they put the person on trail and use the mental card to try to save him or her from execution.
just thought of something, young men do these mass shootings and maybe the Left think if they get all the boys to turn into women they get rid of this problem.
They use that same thought to get black women to get abortions to cut down on making ghettos.
Gino
Premium Subscriber
How many decent parents have said, I had no idea little Billie was like this, after he killed 23 people and maimed 30 others ?? How much of a disconnect is there from the kid living in your basement, on your health insurance to what just took place ?? Give me a break...... the nut doesn't fall far from the tree. Ya got idiots breeding and making more idiots . Whadaya expect ?? Just look around. Is this what ya really want for your kids or their kids ?? Y'all need to reset, reload and come out with some new ideas. Cause the current strategy is not working........ at least, not at the lower half.
Boudica
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There is no strategy that will work. Because it doesn't matter what the idea is, people choose to only consider where it came from. If it didn't come from "your" camp, it can't possibly be a good idea. This is where we are, when society chooses politics over reason.
bcxprint420
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Its.called freedom and freedom means there is a chance a lunatic is free to buy a gun and go off. The solution is show the punishment on public tv. Execution in one of a couple choices will deter even the lunatics from abusing the freedom we all have.
FrankW
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In a civilized society, freedom of the individual should only go as far as the freedom of others is not restricted. Whats about the freedom of others to go shopping safely, go to cinema, studying at a highschool, taking part on a parade?
If you think that lunatics will stop planning their mass shootings when they see punishment on public TV, you have a total misunderstanding of mental illness. They know now too the punishments.
What do you think for example about driving a car without licence and without insurance? Freedom? Whats about the one who would be hurt in an accident, and no insurance will pay for?
Texas_Signmaker
Very Active Signmaker
I'll give you a pass, because you're not an American. You don't understand constitutional rights. We do not have a constitutional right to drive a car. We do however, have a right to keep and bare arms. Even in the most restrictive country, Japan... the guy figured out how to make a gun and kill the PM.
The crazies with a gun are the cost of doing business. No one likes it, and we would like to see less of it, but it's not a high enough cost to convince us to change. Not even slaughtering elementary schools kids is enough. It's like driving.. thousands are killed daily in car accidents, it's the cost of doing business if you want to drive, but it's not a high enough cost for us to stop driving.
As hard as you try, you will not understand this because you are not an American. German people are very submissive to authority and like law and order. Nothing wrong with that if it works for you, but we're different. You do not, and will never understand our freedoms and what they mean to us.
Gino
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In a civilized society ?? Is there such a thing ?? We all think we have it, til,we realize...... we don't. Not at all. Since ancient times, it's always been survival of the fittest. Same goes for the animal kingdom, however we've managed to ruin that, too.
What you or any other person from somewhere in the world considers civilzed, the next will not. It's what suits you and your kind and mindset. If we were to all think exactly the same, we'd be all speaking one common language, had one global ambition and no spitting matches like in the middle east, China, Russia, 1/2 of South America. We wouldn't be wondering what a boy or girl is. We wouldn't need police. We wouldn't need armies, tanks, helicopters or nuclear missiles. We wouldn't want for anything as it would all be calmly provided without the threat of someone or something.
Nope, unfortunately what you claim to be normal just ain't gonna happen in any of our lifetimes. And I doubt anytime too soon, either.
If life and/or history has taught me anything........ don't criticize those you have nothing in common with ...... ask questions and discuss,, but don't betelling people how itmshould be. Perhaps make suggestions, but never TELL them what to do.
Now, I invite you go play nIce at the end of the sandbox, in rhe wet sand, next to blubbo.
What you or any other person from somewhere in the world considers civilzed, the next will not. It's what suits you and your kind and mindset. If we were to all think exactly the same, we'd be all speaking one common language, had one global ambition and no spitting matches like in the middle east, China, Russia, 1/2 of South America. We wouldn't be wondering what a boy or girl is. We wouldn't need police. We wouldn't need armies, tanks, helicopters or nuclear missiles. We wouldn't want for anything as it would all be calmly provided without the threat of someone or something.
Nope, unfortunately what you claim to be normal just ain't gonna happen in any of our lifetimes. And I doubt anytime too soon, either.
If life and/or history has taught me anything........ don't criticize those you have nothing in common with ...... ask questions and discuss,, but don't betelling people how itmshould be. Perhaps make suggestions, but never TELL them what to do.
Now, I invite you go play nIce at the end of the sandbox, in rhe wet sand, next to blubbo.
bob
It's better to have two hands than one glove.
None of the rights, none, nada, zip, zero, that you possess steps on anyone else's rights. No right that you possess constitutes a mortgage on someone else's life. Thus you have no 'right' to, say, health care. Or to any other product. No right that you possess requires anyone else to alter their behavior in order to accommodate you and your rights.
You have no 'right' to go shopping, see a movie, be part of a parade, or floss your cat. While these and a host of other things may be those things that you can do, but whether or not you have some 'right' to do them is another matter entirely. Merely because you can do something does not mean you have a right to do it.
Rights in the USofA are different in kind from rights in most any other place on the planet. Here it is held that you have certain fundamental rights by virtue of the fact that you exist and government exists to guarantee you those rights. This, or any other, government does not and cannot grant rights. Rights thus granted are not rights at all, merely behavior that, for the moment, is tolerated and subject to change at the whim of that government. If something is an actual right then it is absolute and not subject to the vagaries of whomever happens to be in charge at the moment.
Certainly over the years the people have at least tolerated certain encroachments on their rights. Stupid of them if you ask me but no one asked me. If you allow some limitation on your rights because of a current situation then, long after that situation is rectified, you still don't necessarily get your rights back. Worse, this then can be and is used as authority to manipulate other rights. If someone were to come to me and tell me that they could end all war, famine, disease, and all manner of other unpleasantness and all this would require is some trivial infraction of some minor right that I possess, without hesitation I'd tell them to find another way.
FrankW
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Do you really think that nobody except americans have a constitution? It looks like that you don´t understand a lot.
Other countries have constitutions too. But they adapt it to new times, as the US too. For example, check which citizens had the founding fathers in mind when setting up the right to vote. Because of you are a specialist of constitutional rights, you shurely know that a lot of people (perhaps you too) would not had the right to vote when the first constitution was written: only white, male protestants who own land had the right to vote at the end of the 18. century about 10% of the population. Do you think this should be valid until today, because it was once written by the founding fathers?
Do you think that the founding fathers had the idea that everyone can own guns of war for private use? Who can kill tens of people from a hotel room in long distance? In a few minutes?
When driving a car, you need a licence, and you need an insurance. And cars have another use than simply kill other people, you cant ride on your gun to work, or pick up the childen at school.
I´m shure there are a lot of americans who wants to have more gun control too (without forbidding to wear arms at all). You will find a lot of texts like that if using google: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...-hits-record-high-poll-finds/?sh=737713e262f2.
That german people are very submissive to authority and like law and order is just a prejudice. We have a better democratic system, as you can check in the economist democratic index (Germany place 15 - full democracy, United States 26 = flawed democracy), we do not have only two political "poles", so much more people will find a political "home".
FrankW
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Civilisation is relative, you´re right. But there are not only two extremes. Forget the phrase "civilian society", it doesn´t match exactly what I have wanted to say.
You can´t discuss without an opinion.
FrankW
New Member
You in the US has no right to survive visiting school, or to survive going shopping? Your government haven´t the duty to protect you from being shot? You can´t avoid any, but the numbers are shocking:
We in germany had gun laws which allow to own guns for several reasons, but you have to meet certain safety conditions. In 2021, we had around 800 people being shot. In the US around 21.000 citizens are killed with guns (4,2 times the number of people, 26 times of people killed), around 1.100 children.
A high price to pay for your right to bear arms without a background check. Responsible citizens would not have a problem with background checks.
Texas_Signmaker
Very Active Signmaker
I can't drive my gun to work, but it can permanently rearrange someones face if they were to try to harm me or my girls. I say it's more important than the car.
And yes, lots of people here don't want guns. I think they don't want them because they are afraid of them...afraid of what they will do with them. Those areas of the country that restrict gun ownership tend to be the ones I feel I need to carry the most.
Notarealsignguy
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There are many reasons, most of them are economic. Mexico and central America have also become overrun with violence and it is hard to blame people for wanting to flee in order to keep their families safe. Anyone of us would do the same. Sure there are some bad apples but the vast majority aren't and that is supported by statistics. I'm not condoning illegal immigration but at the same time, we need workers if we ever want to bring industry back to the states in any meaningful amount. It still doesn't mean that the violence in our own country should be ignored or swept under the rug. It is a real problem and finger pointing isn't really a viable solution. I do think divisive politics are a factor in it and a multi party system and a coalition government would be helpful.
Maybe if they would stop convicting police officers for doing their jobs one of them would have had the balls to do the right thing and drop the piece of shit in his tracks.
bob
It's better to have two hands than one glove.
As shocking as you might find this, no you have no right to expectations and government has no particular duty to protect you from being shot or double faulting a tennis serve..
Why do you feel that the relationship between population and firearm deaths should be linear?
FrankW
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Not linear, it is not that simple. But a difference of this kind between two „developed“ countries should have causes. And I cant imagine any cause on which a responsible US-citizen should be proud of.
If the government have no duty to care for a safe environment for the citizens, why will still tax money spent for having a police? Or army? Prisons?